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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    I don't think they were, but correct me if I'm wrong, those runs in the okie st game weren't zone reads, Woody does best running downhill, life Weisman for iowa. Woody didn't get many Carries this year, maybe injuries were worse then publicized, but i don't think they force someone into his role unless the right player comes along. Continue to use quicker backs that can catch.


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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Our offense could be very successful without a guy that has Woody's power. In saying that I wish our running backs were more complete. By that I mean still quick but also with the power to run between the tackles better. I'm not talking about Woody sized backs, but if you look at some spread offenses, such as Baylor, they have backs around 215 or 220 that can use their power.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by ripvdub View Post
    I don't think they were, but correct me if I'm wrong, those runs in the okie st game weren't zone reads, Woody does best running downhill, life Weisman for iowa. Woody didn't get many Carries this year, maybe injuries were worse then publicized, but i don't think they force someone into his role unless the right player comes along. Continue to use quicker backs that can catch.
    The injuries were NOT an issue this year. He was ready and able to play most of the time as evidenced in when they DO put him in....he gains positive yards....is ready to go again, and they pull him out. We have a offense that does not know how to utilize running backs successfully like other teams do. When you have so many of them like we do, not one of them will "shine" like others do in the conference simply because NONE of them get a LOT of carries. Its all split between them all. Our linemen like being able to block for that short bit where a back can gain 4-8 yds / carry. So when you add a back who jumps around back there looking for a large hole, the linemen have lost the timing for that hole and it has filled in.
    I always taught and pressed upon jeff to gain 4-8 yards a carry minimum, and no-one will fault you for any of that. He has always tried to maintain that. When they do let him in, and he gets those yards....they pull him out. Just doesnt make sense how they utilize the backs and the abilities they have.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    I do not think using Woody as a primary ball-carrier is a magic-bullet for the offense, but he needs to be on the field more to be effective. His main value is his versatility, and the versatility he therefore should give the offense. He is a better zone-read guy than one would think, but our scheme-wide implementation of the zone-read is so flawed that is irrelevant. Re-watching the games on cyclones.tv, there are so many things wrong with the offense it is sickening.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by nickcyv View Post
    We don't use a fullback and handing the ball off to a slow bruiser out of the spread is a disaster. How many short yardage situations did Woody actually convert this year? Not saying it is Woody's fault but handing him the ball in the zone read doesn't really work.

    So no I'm not worried about Woody's replacement.
    How many did he convert last year? That was a spread offense as well and it worked out pretty well giving it to Woody on 3rd or 4th and short.

    I think having a larger power back has a place in this offense. It is always good to give defenses many different looks and personnel to have to scheme for; and if they have a problem with one combination - exploit it!


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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Watching what Tulsa did to us with Alex Singleton made me think a lot more about what could be done with Woody (or a Woody-type back). I wish we featured Woody as much on the field as we do with the media.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    I do not think using Woody as a primary ball-carrier is a magic-bullet for the offense, but he needs to be on the field more to be effective. His main value is his versatility, and the versatility he therefore should give the offense. He is a better zone-read guy than one would think, but our scheme-wide implementation of the zone-read is so flawed that is irrelevant. Re-watching the games on cyclones.tv, there are so many things wrong with the offense it is sickening.
    I've said it before, but I'm convinced that our best chance to win is through a power running game. Not necessarily I formation, but developing maulers up front and finding more powerful runners. K-State in conference and the bowl season proved that most of our conference opponents can be bullied. Look at what an awful Minnesota team did to Tech and how Syracuse punished WVU. We are much more likely to recruit and develop guys who can succeed in that type of system than we are to find highly skilled passers and game-breaking receivers.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    We had three good running backs with different skill sets and we did a poor job of utilizing them all. That's on Mess.


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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    We had three good running backs with different skill sets and we did a poor job of utilizing them all. That's on Mess.
    Or Pope? I thought he got the call on personnel?



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by cydline2cydline View Post
    Or Pope? I thought he got the call on personnel?
    If our offense is ineffective because we are utilizing the wrong available personnel, that may be on Pope for a game or two. If it's that our personnel are not being optimally utilized because we are using the wrong offense, then it is on Mess.

    When the offense has been this inefficient for multiple seasons, it is on the entire offensive staff and CPR.



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    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    If our offense is ineffective because we are utilizing the wrong available personnel, that may be on Pope for a game or two. If it's that our personnel are not being optimally utilized because we are using the wrong offense, then it is on Mess.

    When the offense has been this inefficient for multiple seasons, it is on the entire offensive staff and CPR.
    It's certainly on the staff but a complete overhaul is by no means needed.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    It's certainly on the staff but a complete overhaul is by no means needed.
    After watching also-rans like Minnesota and Syracuse hand it to teams against whom we could not run the ball and watching our offense get pushed around by Tulsa ... I don't know how you can think we don't need to make some major changes.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by cydline2cydline View Post
    Or Pope? I thought he got the call on personnel?
    He doesn't call the plays. If he decides its Woody time, and Mess decides to run zone read, that isn't Pope's call.


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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    It's certainly on the staff but a complete overhaul is by no means needed.
    Depends on the definition of complete overhaul. When there are so many little things that need to be corrected in regards to fundamentals and schematics at every unit and phase, I would say a complete overhaul is needed.



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    Re: Back-up for Woody

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Depends on the definition of complete overhaul. When there are so many little things that need to be corrected in regards to fundamentals and schematics at every unit and phase, I would say a complete overhaul is needed.
    I don't know a lot about fundamentals, but as far as schematically the offense IMO should still be a spread offense, it's what we have been recruiting for. But it's obvious that small changes are needed in terms of play calling and perhaps types of personnel.



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