Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 37

Thread: End of an era?

  1. #1
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 84,321, Level: 90
    Level completed: 32%, Points required for next Level: 1,229
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsCreated Album pictures
    azepp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    3,927
    Points
    84,321
    Level
    90
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 167
    Given: 96

    End of an era?

    Let me start by saying that I am a Rhoads supporter. However, there is one thing that he has done fairly consistently during his tenure that has always really bothered me. I'm hopeful that he learned something from Bill Blankenship yesterday and that this can change.

    My pet peeve is the tendency to coast into halftime without taking a shot at putting points on the board. This almost backfired yesterday when we had Tulsa with 4th and long right before the half and rather than using our timeout and ensuring that we'd get the ball back, CPR was content, as usual, to let the clock run out. Blankenship took a timeout with 3 seconds left so he could get off a low-risk, high-reward play and it wasn't too far from being 6 for Tulsa (thanks to Klein for knocking it down).

    We could have prevented the play from happening and given ourselves a shot at some points if we'd taken our timeout as soon as the 3rd down play ended.

    Now I realize that with the way our offense was playing we weren't likely to actually score, but I hate the "let's just get to the locker room" mentality. It is the opposite of "ALL IN".

    Is there any chance CPR learned something from Bill Blankenship yesterday and may change the way he approaches these situations? Could the "just make it to the locker room" era be over?



  2. #2
    All-Star
    Points: 43,679, Level: 64
    Level completed: 57%, Points required for next Level: 571
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,805
    Points
    43,679
    Level
    64
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 15
    Given: 10

    Re: End of an era?

    There offense and defense were clicking. You take a timeout with 45+ seconds left to try and get the ball and they convert? Well they might easily put more points on the board. Then they would have more momentum and would get the ball at the half.

    Rhoads didn't want that. It was better to get the team in the locker room, regroup, try and fix what was wrong and head back out.



  3. #3
    Pro
    Points: 41,958, Level: 63
    Level completed: 24%, Points required for next Level: 992
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    3,274
    Points
    41,958
    Level
    63
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 189
    Given: 76

    Re: End of an era?

    CPR is a smart guy. My guess is he learned a lot yesterday not just in terms of strategy in games but also in schematics and how to practice before a bowl.



  4. #4
    Legend
    Points: 322,588, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 44.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialOverdriveVeteran
    CyArob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    MN
    Posts
    11,654
    Points
    322,588
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,053
    Given: 527

    Re: End of an era?

    Enough with the dumb threads. If he took a TO, ISU would have got the ball with under 30 seconds left inside the 20 and then taken a knee.



  5. #5
    Rookie
    Points: 8,395, Level: 27
    Level completed: 41%, Points required for next Level: 355
    Overall activity: 5.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    410
    Points
    8,395
    Level
    27
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by azepp View Post
    Let me start by saying that I am a Rhoads supporter. However, there is one thing that he has done fairly consistently during his tenure that has always really bothered me. I'm hopeful that he learned something from Bill Blankenship yesterday and that this can change.

    My pet peeve is the tendency to coast into halftime without taking a shot at putting points on the board. This almost backfired yesterday when we had Tulsa with 4th and long right before the half and rather than using our timeout and ensuring that we'd get the ball back, CPR was content, as usual, to let the clock run out. Blankenship took a timeout with 3 seconds left so he could get off a low-risk, high-reward play and it wasn't too far from being 6 for Tulsa (thanks to Klein for knocking it down).

    We could have prevented the play from happening and given ourselves a shot at some points if we'd taken our timeout as soon as the 3rd down play ended.

    Now I realize that with the way our offense was playing we weren't likely to actually score, but I hate the "let's just get to the locker room" mentality. It is the opposite of "ALL IN".

    Is there any chance CPR learned something from Bill Blankenship yesterday and may change the way he approaches these situations? Could the "just make it to the locker room" era be over?
    Are You saying that bill blankenship is ALL IN and coach rhoads is NOT? Thats Funny...btw you could be right! lol



  6. #6
    Addict
    Points: 172,852, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 22.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    clonedude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    6,438
    Points
    172,852
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 124
    Given: 0

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    CPR is a smart guy. My guess is he learned a lot yesterday not just in terms of strategy in games but also in schematics and how to practice before a bowl.
    If Rhoads didn't learn how to practice for a bowl game after last year's debacle, what makes you think he will after this game?



  7. #7
    Bench Warmer
    Points: 8,767, Level: 28
    Level completed: 3%, Points required for next Level: 583
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    Wally86's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Central Iowa
    Posts
    278
    Points
    8,767
    Level
    28
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 7
    Given: 1

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyArob View Post
    Enough with the dumb threads. If he took a TO, ISU would have got the ball with under 30 seconds left inside the 20 and then taken a knee.
    No he is saying ISU would have had a chance for a big punt return and shot at the endzone instead of defending the hail Mary by Tulsa. By not taking the time out early ISU let Tulsa dictate who took the last shot in the half.



  8. #8
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 84,321, Level: 90
    Level completed: 32%, Points required for next Level: 1,229
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsCreated Album pictures
    azepp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    3,927
    Points
    84,321
    Level
    90
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 167
    Given: 96

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyArob View Post
    Enough with the dumb threads. If he took a TO, ISU would have got the ball with under 30 seconds left inside the 20 and then taken a knee.
    But you also force Tulsa to punt instead of giving them an opportunity to take a shot at the end zone.



  9. #9
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 84,321, Level: 90
    Level completed: 32%, Points required for next Level: 1,229
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsCreated Album pictures
    azepp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    3,927
    Points
    84,321
    Level
    90
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 167
    Given: 96

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wally86 View Post
    No he is saying ISU would have had a chance for a big punt return and shot at the endzone instead of defending the hail Mary by Tulsa. By not taking the time out early ISU let Tulsa dictate who took the last shot in the half.
    Well said.



  10. #10
    Legend
    Points: 265,637, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 28.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    chuckd4735's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Ankeny, Iowa
    Posts
    14,051
    Points
    265,637
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 546
    Given: 135

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyArob View Post
    Enough with the dumb threads. If he took a TO, ISU would have got the ball with under 30 seconds left inside the 20 and then taken a knee.
    Or you set yourself up for a big punt return, a bad snap on the punt or even a block. I agree with the OP 100%, I may have even said that I hope Tulsa scores once they took that TO just to teach CPR a lesson on that mentality. Of course I said that in the heart of the moment and out of pure frustration and didn't really mean it, but the conservative mentality going into halftime does drive me nuts... SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE DON'T GET THE BALL TO START THE 2nd HALF!

    Even if we did just take the punt,and then take a knee, at least we had control of the ball. I thought the timeout by Tulsa was genius.



  11. #11
    Pro
    Points: 37,955, Level: 60
    Level completed: 9%, Points required for next Level: 1,095
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points
    CycloneNorth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    2,111
    Points
    37,955
    Level
    60
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 33
    Given: 7

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Or you set yourself up for a big punt return, a bad snap on the punt or even a block. I agree with the OP 100%, I may have even said that I hope Tulsa scores once they took that TO just to teach CPR a lesson on that mentality. Of course I said that in the heart of the moment and out of pure frustration and didn't really mean it, but the conservative mentality going into halftime does drive me nuts... SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE DON'T GET THE BALL TO START THE 2nd HALF!

    Even if we did just take the punt,and then take a knee, at least we had control of the ball. I thought the timeout by Tulsa was genius.
    What if the punt return is fumbled in the cold rainy conditions? Then Tulsa heads into half with more momentum and everyone on this board is asking when CPR will learn to just let the clock run out at the half.



  12. #12
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 84,321, Level: 90
    Level completed: 32%, Points required for next Level: 1,229
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsCreated Album pictures
    azepp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    3,927
    Points
    84,321
    Level
    90
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 167
    Given: 96

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneNorth View Post
    What if the punt return is fumbled in the cold rainy conditions? Then Tulsa heads into half with more momentum and everyone on this board is asking when CPR will learn to just let the clock run out at the half.
    I think the chances of Tulsa completing a hail mary are probably about the same as fumbling the punt return, so the risk is probably a wash. However, the upside is much greater on the punt. Plus, you can always choose to not field the punt.

    Edit: anyone who would be asking when he'll learn to run the clock out hasn't been watching ISU football for a few years.


    Last edited by azepp; 01-01-2013 at 09:31 AM.

  13. #13
    Legend
    Points: 265,637, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 28.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    chuckd4735's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Ankeny, Iowa
    Posts
    14,051
    Points
    265,637
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 546
    Given: 135

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneNorth View Post
    What if the punt return is fumbled in the cold rainy conditions? Then Tulsa heads into half with more momentum and everyone on this board is asking when CPR will learn to just let the clock run out at the half.
    Sure, lets play scared. I guess I trust our football team to be able to handle a punt in the rain, and I would hope that CPR does as well. We are a Big 12 football team for god sakes.



  14. #14
    Pro
    Points: 37,955, Level: 60
    Level completed: 9%, Points required for next Level: 1,095
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points
    CycloneNorth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    2,111
    Points
    37,955
    Level
    60
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 33
    Given: 7

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckd4735 View Post
    Sure, lets play scared. I guess I trust our football team to be able to handle a punt in the rain, and I would hope that CPR does as well. We are a Big 12 football team for god sakes.
    The Cyclones have returned only 10 punts all year. With Tulsa's field position the punt would have either been fair caught or allowed to drop. Using a timeout early would not have changed anything.



  15. #15
    Addict
    Points: 317,781, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 88.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranOverdrive
    00clone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Iowa City area
    Posts
    7,739
    Points
    317,781
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,100
    Given: 223

    Re: End of an era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wally86 View Post
    No he is saying ISU would have had a chance for a big punt return and shot at the endzone instead of defending the hail Mary by Tulsa. By not taking the time out early ISU let Tulsa dictate who took the last shot in the half.

    To be fair, the defense had about as much chance of scoring as the offense did yesterday....



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • Football
  • Iowa State vs. North Dakota State
  • August 30, 2014
  • 11:00 AM