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    Promoting the Big XII Academic Community

    Maybe there are more, but, I first saw a Big XII conference ad during halftime of the Texas-Tenn WBB game yesterday. It mentioned some academic exceptionalism at each institution. I hope there is a real effort to build a sense of conference other than on the football field - sustaining.


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    Re: Promoting the Big XII Academic Community

    Quote Originally Posted by BenEClone View Post
    Maybe there are more, but, I first saw a Big XII conference ad during halftime of the Texas-Tenn WBB game yesterday. It mentioned some academic exceptionalism at each institution. I hope there is a real effort to build a sense of conference other than on the football field - sustaining.
    A good thing to hope for. But I fear it a forlone hope in the present atmosphere of conference-association-by-the-size-of-the-TV-deal. With athletic department decisions so influenced by the Big Bucks, any academic associations with other conference schools would be by luck only. More likely those academic associations would be more fruitful based on geography and the school's academic focus. IMHO, we have more in common with Minny, Wiscy, Illini, Mizzou, and maybe even UNL than we do with OU, UT, KU, and Baylor. I guess that might leave KSU.


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    Re: Promoting the Big XII Academic Community

    The Big 12 is kind of a weird collection of schools, academically.

    Iowa State is in the AAU along with Kansas and Texas, but those schools (especially Texas) really aren't much like Iowa State in other significant ways.

    The Big 12 has a technical school in TTU, two small private Christian colleges in BU and TCU, four land-grant institutions (one of which is a flagship - WVU, and another of which is significantly more prestigious than the other three - ISU), two medium-sized public institutions in KU and OU, one of which is in the AAU, and one school that towers over the other nine in terms of size and prestige in UT.

    In terms of recognition and prestige, I would think that Iowa State is most comparable to Kansas, and those two schools are right next to one another as to which is the 2nd most respected institution in the conference. In terms of university missions, Iowa State is probably most closely associated with Kansas State and Oklahoma State, as land-grant agricultural institutions, but both of those schools lack the overall prestige that ISU has.

    The conference wasn't really built for academic collaboration. It was built for athletic competition. ISU has a strong peer group of 11 total institutions that are much better suited for collaboration:

    Arizona
    Cal-Davis
    Illinois
    Iowa State
    Michigan State
    Minnesota
    NC State
    Ohio State
    Purdue
    Texas A&M
    Wisconsin

    Notice that there are no other Big 12 schools in our peer group, but half of the Big Ten is.


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    Re: Promoting the Big XII Academic Community

    As far as degrees offered I think TTU is similar to ISU, OSU, and KSU in that the strong suits are agriculture and engineering. TTU doesn't have vet medicine though.

    Before the member exits, I think the closest peer institution to ISU was Missouri. That membership loss was the one I hated the most simply for academic peer institution reasons.

    As far as agriculture goes, ISU is kind of on an island. It's a corn and beans school in a wheat conference now. I guess I don't have much to go off of for making a judgment about comparisons of other academic programs within the conference.



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