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    Men Still Belong In the Cave

    Mr. Fisman a 36-year-old Columbia economics professor conducted a two-year study, published last year, on dating. With two psychologists and another economist, he ran a speed-dating experiment at a local bar near the Columbia campus. The results surprised him and made him a little sad because he found that even in the 21st century, many men are still straitjacketed in stereotypes. “I guess I had hoped that they had evolved beyond this,” he said in a phone interview. “It’s like that ‘Sex and the City’ episode where Miranda went speed-dating. When she says she’s a lawyer, guys lose interest. Then she tells them she’s a flight attendant and that plays into their deepest fantasies.”

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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    I would rather have a lawyer, she could be my sugar moma, so I could quit my job and just relax all day.


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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    I would rather have a lawyer, she could be my sugar moma, so I could quit my job and just relax all day.
    I thought you do that already.


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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    Quote Originally Posted by chadm View Post
    I thought you do that already.
    Man I wish...I married a nurse, they make less than teachers.


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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    That nurse thing sounds kinda hot though.


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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post
    Mr. Fisman a 36-year-old Columbia economics professor conducted a two-year study, published last year, on dating. With two psychologists and another economist, he ran a speed-dating experiment at a local bar near the Columbia campus. The results surprised him and made him a little sad because he found that even in the 21st century, many men are still straitjacketed in stereotypes. “I guess I had hoped that they had evolved beyond this,” he said in a phone interview. “It’s like that ‘Sex and the City’ episode where Miranda went speed-dating. When she says she’s a lawyer, guys lose interest. Then she tells them she’s a flight attendant and that plays into their deepest fantasies.”

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    People "evolve" do they? I guess only a "Columbia economics prof" would be stone cold stupid enough to think that anything has changed, fundamentally on the how and why men and women interact.

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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    Quote Originally Posted by brianhos View Post
    I would rather have a lawyer, she could be my sugar moma, so I could quit my job and just relax all day.
    My thoughts exactly



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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    My wife is what I consider more successful than me. I have no problem with it. Her reaching her goals means alot to me and I try to do everything in power to help her do that. It does not threaten my manhood. Would I like to be the top bread winner and have her not work? Sure I do. But thats because shes a great mom and she would love to be at home with the kids. But right now thats not financially feasible.



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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    That Sex in the City reference is funny, didn't see the episode but I understand the comparison. I am not fond of lawyers period, why would I change my perspective for an attractive legal advisor? Too bad, there are probably more hot attorneys than any other occupation. Probably that John Edwards thing, lets sue baby doctors that give life because we are cute, we can win and make millions doing it.


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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post
    Mr. Fisman a 36-year-old Columbia economics professor conducted a two-year study, published last year, on dating. With two psychologists and another economist, he ran a speed-dating experiment at a local bar near the Columbia campus. The results surprised him and made him a little sad because he found that even in the 21st century, many men are still straitjacketed in stereotypes. “I guess I had hoped that they had evolved beyond this,” he said in a phone interview. “It’s like that ‘Sex and the City’ episode where Miranda went speed-dating. When she says she’s a lawyer, guys lose interest. Then she tells them she’s a flight attendant and that plays into their deepest fantasies.”

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    The methodology of the original paper is more than a little suspect. They start out with a simple linear regression model which shows that ambition and intelligence is equally important to both men and women. They then make some rather arbitrary modifications to the model (by adding carefully chosen variables), and this model now “proves” the preconceived notion of man being threatened by intelligent and ambitious women. I was not impressed with the work.



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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    I would say that any tendency towards this type of behaviour is rooted in insecurity, rather than some biological stereotype. Personally, intelligent women are a huge turn on. That's what attracted me to my fiance.



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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    I'm not disagreeing with either Iceclone or Cyclonepride; I am just questioning the assumption that society "evolves" along pre-programmed lines. I would suggest that the progress of "women's rights" has actually resulted in women being treated more like playtoys for men, and an increase in brutality/sex crimes toward women than in earlier, more strictured societies.

    The study is bad because it was based on a bad assumption, much less methodology.

    I see on my Yahoo! News bar last night, they quote a study that "Women Take More Time Off From Work, Than Men." The question is, who is the greater idiot, the "scientist" who decided this was research-worthy, the .gov idiot who funded it, or the incompetent journalist who decided it was "news-worthy?"

    Of course, it DOES challenge the "Women get paid less for the same work" worn-out political/social saw. (Of course, women don't put in the same amount of hours/commitment at work as men, and women tend not to value their work in salary negotiations, but "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain....")


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    On that note, I think that society has struggled to adapt to the changing role of women. Not that I think the advancement of women to equal status is a bad thing, but I believe the quick change has led to several problems. Children in society as a whole are now learning more of their value systems from the system, rather than from parents. I believe this also has had a dramatic effect on divorce rates too.



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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone62 View Post
    That nurse thing sounds kinda hot though.
    You know. They just wear scrubs anymore, and those are NOT sexy. It is not like the nurse pr0n that I "hear" people watch.


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    Re: Men Still Belong In the Cave

    A recently published paper concludes that the chronic stress in households where a woman works has a negative impact on her health — as well as her husband’s.

    The author, Noam Y Kirson finds that married men whose spouses work are more likely to die within 10 years, to have high blood pressure and to self-report worse health outcomes. In his paper, he writes that “in a period which increasingly requires two-earner households to maintain a middle-class standard of living, it is important to understand that the large benefits associated with increased [female participation in the workforce] may mask some less desirable outcomes, specifically on the health front.”

    So it looks like those males that marry upwardly professional females are goners? And am I to conclude that women are simply ironing machines and cooking pans for men?

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