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    New trend in football?

    I really wasn't sure which forum this belonged in, since it's football-related, but not ISU football-related. Anyway, for anyone who reads ESPN.com's TMQ (Tuesday Morning Quarterback), Mr. Easterbrook has stumbled upon quite a unique offensive philosophy being employed by a high school in Arkansas. It's quite similar to Chizik's mantra, "no field goal attempts."

    Apparently, this coach has not punted the football since 2005 (except in blowouts to keep the score down). They have no punt team and don't ever practice punting. Read his article linked below for all the details (scroll down to TREND 3). Interesting read IMO.

    ESPN Page 2 - TMQ: State of the Nation



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    Re: New trend in football?

    so if it's 4 and 10 from right outside your own endzone, they don't punt it?



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    Re: New trend in football?

    "Writing for the majority, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens warned that high school football recruiting "could lead to exploitation, distort competition and foster an environment in which athletics are prized more highly than academics." In other words -- it could turn high school into the NCAA!"


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    Re: New trend in football?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dormeezy View Post
    so if it's 4 and 10 from right outside your own endzone, they don't punt it?
    Read the article...he went for it on 4th and 6 from his own 5 early in a championship game according to an official.


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    Re: New trend in football?

    I was watching CFL the other night, and they only have 3 downs. It makes them a lot more likely to go for it on 3rd. It makes for a more exciting game, IMO. I bet it would really shorten games. Limiting the number of punts you can make in a game would be interesting too. Say you only got 3 punts per half...



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    Re: New trend in football?

    Quote Originally Posted by mjlane View Post
    I really wasn't sure which forum this belonged in, since it's football-related, but not ISU football-related. Anyway, for anyone who reads ESPN.com's TMQ (Tuesday Morning Quarterback), Mr. Easterbrook has stumbled upon quite a unique offensive philosophy being employed by a high school in Arkansas. It's quite similar to Chizik's mantra, "no field goal attempts."

    Apparently, this coach has not punted the football since 2005 (except in blowouts to keep the score down). They have no punt team and don't ever practice punting. Read his article linked below for all the details (scroll down to TREND 3). Interesting read IMO.

    ESPN Page 2 - TMQ: State of the Nation
    well, the stats are a little skewed. Going for it on 4th down has higher percentage than it would if all you did was go for it. The reason is a lot of those going for it (this school is the exception) are going for it in close yardage, or superior talent. Those punting are more likely to have less talent or longer yardage. So you can't just say because 75% of 4th downs succeed you should always go...a lot of those that made that 75% were easy half to 1 yard conversions.



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    Re: New trend in football?

    We never punted in H.S.
    1. Because noone on are team could punt
    2. We were rarely in a situation were we had too.
    3. We might setup in a punt formation and then run a fake.

    Hence that could be why we went 4-5 my senior year.


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    Re: New trend in football?

    I like it. Rethinking the game is always good.



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    Re: New trend in football?

    ...until a team like Colorado goes for it their very first possession of the second half up 21-0, doesn't make it, and practically gets raped over the decision. Everyone thinks going for 4th down in a risky situation is a great decision until your team doesn't make it and the opponent takes it for 7.


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    Re: New trend in football?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdoggivjc View Post
    ...until a team like Colorado goes for it their very first possession of the second half up 21-0, doesn't make it, and practically gets raped over the decision. Everyone thinks going for 4th down in a risky situation is a great decision until your team doesn't make it and the opponent takes it for 7.

    I think it works better the lower the level. In HS there is a much greater chance of this working as the punters aren't as good anyway and you have ranges of talent. I still would like to see more teams go for it on 4th, but of course in a common sense way.



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    Re: New trend in football?

    I would prefer that Chizik takes trends from the NFL and college football, not HS ball.



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    Re: New trend in football?

    Agreed. HS football is much different than college. It's a hell of a lot easier to convert a 4th down in HS than it is in the Big 12.



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    Re: New trend in football?

    Well, if your option is to go for it on 4th and 6 on your own 5, or have Brandtner make one of his trademark 20 yard shanks, I'd flippin' go for it.

    If you play like you have 4 downs, it changes completely your offensive game plan, as in, what plays you're willing to run, etc..

    Especially with teams that have a weak kicking/punting game, punting just doesn't make sense. I watched a high school game where each and every punt resulted in better field position for the opponent than if you just had the center hand the ball to the opposing defensive lineman on 4th down. WTF was that coach thinking???


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    Re: New trend in football?

    Quote Originally Posted by herbiedoobie View Post
    Well, if your option is to go for it on 4th and 6 on your own 5, or have Brandtner make one of his trademark 20 yard shanks, I'd flippin' go for it.

    If you play like you have 4 downs, it changes completely your offensive game plan, as in, what plays you're willing to run, etc..

    Especially with teams that have a weak kicking/punting game, punting just doesn't make sense. I watched a high school game where each and every punt resulted in better field position for the opponent than if you just had the center hand the ball to the opposing defensive lineman on 4th down. WTF was that coach thinking???
    Or maybe Brandtner might boom a 48 yarder into a stiff wind which goes out of bounds with no return. Big difference between HS ball and Division I college football.



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    Re: New trend in football?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormin View Post
    Or maybe Brandtner might boom a 48 yarder into a stiff wind which goes out of bounds with no return. Big difference between HS ball and Division I college football.
    That was the first thing that came to my mind too



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