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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    So how many posters are eating crow these days from the freak out back in early fall about our recruiting class?

    Truly shows the ineptitude and stupidity some posters show here.



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    So how many posters are eating crow these days from the freak out back in early fall about our recruiting class?

    Truly shows the ineptitude and stupidity some posters show here.
    To be fair, had our class finished the way it started, that would not have been very encouraging. I don't think one person expected the finish we had to recruiting and if someone says they did, they are lying.



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    So how many posters are eating crow these days from the freak out back in early fall about our recruiting class?

    Truly shows the ineptitude and stupidity some posters show here.
    Yep, just another normal day.



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused View Post
    To be fair, had our class finished the way it started, that would not have been very encouraging. I don't think one person expected the finish we had to recruiting and if someone says they did, they are lying.
    Well no **** sherlock, but people were about to jump off the ledge in August FFS.

    And I guess I'm supposedly lying, but I had trust in the staff to fill the class out nicely.

    Sorry some people don't understand the dynamics of recruiting sometimes.



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    Well no **** sherlock, but people were about to jump off the ledge in August FFS.

    And I guess I'm supposedly lying, but I had trust in the staff to fill the class out nicely.

    Sorry some people don't understand the dynamics of recruiting sometimes.
    You expected the best recruiting month in ISU history? Ok then......



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused View Post
    You expected the best recruiting month in ISU history? Ok then......
    I expected us to end with a pretty solid class. Unlike a majority knuckleheads here.

    But assume on there chief!



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by CyDude16 View Post
    I expected us to end with a pretty solid class. Unlike a majority knuckleheads here.

    But assume on there chief!
    Well it was arguably the best month we have ever had. There is no way anyone could have predicted Curtis committing, Coe comitting 5 days later, Meeks switching from QB to LB to play here 3 days after that, Campos switching from Mizzou to ISU 3 days after that, then 2 days later getting Lazard (13 months before signing day) as the highest rated recruit ISU has ever gotten.

    Before that, ISU had 21 commits in a supposedly small class. The highest rated were two 5.6 3 stars (one was JUCO RB Wimberly, one was OL Jacob Homa). To put that in perspective, we had 7 recruits at 5.6 or higher last year in 21 commits. That class was ranked 80th in the nation by rivals.

    Now like I have said before, ratings aren't the end all be all of everything, but they are an indicator of progress over time. People were concerned because they didn't see progress and they didn't see very much space to improve the class before it was full. I think some also expected the new facilities being built to affect recruiting a lot more before it was opened than it did. It obviously did help a ton more when it was opened.

    Nobody could've predicted that we would land those 5 commits in that time span, it is just unusual.

    I'm going to bold this because this is important to distinguish: I am not on board with the "CPR is running our of gas" BS that you may be talking about. However, if you are talking about expecting Rhoads to improve steadily in recruiting when given improved facilities the way he has been, it is perfectly reasonable. You don't have to think Paul Rhoads is an idiot for offering the kids he does in order to wish he would recruit more highly rated players.

    Obviously anyone who thinks they know better than Rhoads or think he doesn't know what he is doing are stupid, but to quote you: "No **** Sherlock."

    Also, "Chief" I said claiming you predicted the best recruiting month in school history would make you a liar, not "ending with a pretty solid class" (whatever that means). So no, I did not insinuate that you are a liar.


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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Please everyone... we all know that I was the first to say rhoads would bring in all these guys with starz and offerz! So bow down to me!! Kneel before your king!



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Honestly, I was a little concerned about the class this past summer. They had very few recruits with BCS offers. It looked like "more of the same" to me. And more of the same equates to 6-6/5-7. I wanted to see them up the talent a notch. Thankfully, they've seemingly done that closing out the class. I'd like to see them hang on to Bibbs and Wimberly, but, a JUCO TE and a JUCO RB/slot WR shouldn't be exceptionally hard to come by. It's not like they need two starters there. Brun did pretty well at TE and I think that they could get by finding a really good blocking TE or a big WR to block screens and catch jump balls. For Wimberly, I've said all along that I think that he is a slot WR meant to replace Horne. Horne had basically zero other offers, so I'm thinking that they can find someone to take Wimberly's spot and back up Jarvis West easy enough.



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    losing wimberly would not be a big deal at all. we have shontrelle, white, woody, nealy and standard all returning plus that true freshman coming in next year. i thought wimberly could be a good kick returner and contribute at RB in 2 years. if he goes elsewhere then no big deal like i said

    as far as lanning, i doubt he stays at QB. why would he? richardson has 3 years left, rohach 4 and barnett 2 plus trevor hodge will be here and he looks like a better QB to me. lanning could be a bigger help at saftey or linebacker. watching hodge's highlights, i think he could be a cam newton type if he bulks up and works hard


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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused View Post
    Well it was arguably the best month we have ever had. There is no way anyone could have predicted Curtis committing, Coe comitting 5 days later, Meeks switching from QB to LB to play here 3 days after that, Campos switching from Mizzou to ISU 3 days after that, then 2 days later getting Lazard (13 months before signing day) as the highest rated recruit ISU has ever gotten.

    Before that, ISU had 21 commits in a supposedly small class. The highest rated were two 5.6 3 stars (one was JUCO RB Wimberly, one was OL Jacob Homa). To put that in perspective, we had 7 recruits at 5.6 or higher last year in 21 commits. That class was ranked 80th in the nation by rivals.

    Now like I have said before, ratings aren't the end all be all of everything, but they are an indicator of progress over time. People were concerned because they didn't see progress and they didn't see very much space to improve the class before it was full. I think some also expected the new facilities being built to affect recruiting a lot more before it was opened than it did. It obviously did help a ton more when it was opened.

    Nobody could've predicted that we would land those 5 commits in that time span, it is just unusual.

    I'm going to bold this because this is important to distinguish: I am not on board with the "CPR is running our of gas" BS that you may be talking about. However, if you are talking about expecting Rhoads to improve steadily in recruiting when given improved facilities the way he has been, it is perfectly reasonable. You don't have to think Paul Rhoads is an idiot for offering the kids he does in order to wish he would recruit more highly rated players.

    Obviously anyone who thinks they know better than Rhoads or think he doesn't know what he is doing are stupid, but to quote you: "No **** Sherlock."

    Also, "Chief" I said claiming you predicted the best recruiting month in school history would make you a liar, not "ending with a pretty solid class" (whatever that means). So no, I did not insinuate that you are a liar.
    Yeah, that was after signing day. Final evaluations and scores aren't done yet. That's the thing people don't realize when comparing class to class.


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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Yeah, that was after signing day. Final evaluations and scores aren't done yet. That's the thing people don't realize when comparing class to class.
    That's a very good point. How many of those players do you think will be bumped up (pre insane recruiting run)?

    We were still only ranked #80 last year, and that is the context I was trying to apply. Even if we do have 5 recruits bumped up were would still only come even with our class last year. Didn't they just have an update? I know a few of our 2 star/unranked players got bumped to 3 stars.



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    For 2013, the limiting factor is 85 scholarships. ISU has 23 available at this point meaning the class is full with known verbals. Will they all sign? CPR has a great track record of keeping the commits but there are situations like with Wimbely where a verbal may not make it to campus. Of course, we don’t have any idea if any scholarship players are transferring after the bowl game.

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    Iowa State's Class of 2013
    1. Trevor Hodge, QB, Perris, (Calif.) Citrus Hill
    2. Kamari Syrie, DB, Hurst, (Texas) L.D. Bell
    3. Emmanuel Bibbs, TE, Arizona Western C.C.
    4. Jacob Homa, OL, Brookfield, (Wisc.) Central
    5. Alex Leslie, TE, New Braunfels, (Texas)
    6. Tyler Brown, RB, Lakeland, (Fla.) Lake Gibson
    7. Nigel Tribune, DB, Jacksonville, (Fla.) Raines
    8. D.A. Williams, DB, St. Augustine, (Fla.)
    9. Justin Webster, ATH, Houston, (Texas) Northland Christian
    10. J.D. Waggoner, DE, Dallas, (Texas) Jesuit
    11. Brandon Harris, WR, Cedar Hill, (Texas)
    12. Nick Severs, OL, Macomb, (Ill.)
    13. Vincent Johnson, OL, Sacramento, (Calif.) Christian Brothers
    14. Joel Lanning, QB, Ankeny, Iowa
    15. Brian Mills, LB, East Ridge, (Fla.) Clermont
    16. Bryan Ajumobi, WR, South Grand Prairie, (Texas) Grand Prairie
    17. Ernest Suttles, DE, Tampa, (Fla.) Gaither
    18. Vernell Trent, DE, Jacksonville, (Fla.) Forrest
    19. Jalen Barnes, DB, Port Arthur, (Texas) Memorial
    20. Shawn Curtis, OL, Orlando, (Fla.) Olympia
    21. Rodney Coe, DL, Iowa Western C.C.
    22. Alton Meeks, LB, Orlando, (Fla.) Dr. Phillips
    23. Jake Campos, OL, West Des Moines, (Iowa) Valley

    o Aaron Wimbely, RB, Iowa Western Community College

    Iowa State’s Class of 2014/2013 “grey-shirts” or walk-on
    1. Allen Lazard, WR, Urbandale, Iowa
    2. Ryan Glenn, OL, Waukee, Iowa
    3. Kyle Starcevich, QB, Runnells, (Iowa) Southeast Polk

    Possible signees, if slots open up
    A. Andre Lewis, WR, Diablo Valley C.C.
    B. Kyle Shortridge, DT, Loxahatchee, (Fla.) Seminole Ridge
    C. Keith Kelsey Jr., LB, Gainesville, (Fla.)
    D. Markeith Ambles, WR, Arizona Western C.C.



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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by pdxclone View Post
    For 2013, the limiting factor is 85 scholarships. ISU has 23 available at this point meaning the class is full with known verbals. Will they all sign? CPR has a great track record of keeping the commits but there are situations like with Wimbely where a verbal may not make it to campus. Of course, we don’t have any idea if any scholarship players are transferring after the bowl game.

    While high school recruits must wait until Feb. to sign with a school, junior college recruits enrolling for the spring semester are able to sign on 12/19. These EE (Early Enrollers) can count against last year’s signing class to help with signing more than 25 in one year but again the overall program limit is 85.

    Iowa State's Class of 2013
    1. Trevor Hodge, QB, Perris, (Calif.) Citrus Hill
    2. Kamari Syrie, DB, Hurst, (Texas) L.D. Bell
    3. Emmanuel Bibbs, TE, Arizona Western C.C.
    4. Jacob Homa, OL, Brookfield, (Wisc.) Central
    5. Alex Leslie, TE, New Braunfels, (Texas)
    6. Tyler Brown, RB, Lakeland, (Fla.) Lake Gibson
    7. Nigel Tribune, DB, Jacksonville, (Fla.) Raines
    8. D.A. Williams, DB, St. Augustine, (Fla.)
    9. Justin Webster, ATH, Houston, (Texas) Northland Christian
    10. J.D. Waggoner, DE, Dallas, (Texas) Jesuit
    11. Brandon Harris, WR, Cedar Hill, (Texas)
    12. Nick Severs, OL, Macomb, (Ill.)
    13. Vincent Johnson, OL, Sacramento, (Calif.) Christian Brothers
    14. Joel Lanning, QB, Ankeny, Iowa
    15. Brian Mills, LB, East Ridge, (Fla.) Clermont
    16. Bryan Ajumobi, WR, South Grand Prairie, (Texas) Grand Prairie
    17. Ernest Suttles, DE, Tampa, (Fla.) Gaither
    18. Vernell Trent, DE, Jacksonville, (Fla.) Forrest
    19. Jalen Barnes, DB, Port Arthur, (Texas) Memorial
    20. Shawn Curtis, OL, Orlando, (Fla.) Olympia
    21. Rodney Coe, DL, Iowa Western C.C.
    22. Alton Meeks, LB, Orlando, (Fla.) Dr. Phillips
    23. Jake Campos, OL, West Des Moines, (Iowa) Valley

    o Aaron Wimbely, RB, Iowa Western Community College

    Iowa State’s Class of 2014/2013 “grey-shirts” or walk-on
    1. Allen Lazard, WR, Urbandale, Iowa
    2. Ryan Glenn, OL, Waukee, Iowa
    3. Kyle Starcevich, QB, Runnells, (Iowa) Southeast Polk

    Possible signees, if slots open up
    A. Andre Lewis, WR, Diablo Valley C.C.
    B. Kyle Shortridge, DT, Loxahatchee, (Fla.) Seminole Ridge
    C. Keith Kelsey Jr., LB, Gainesville, (Fla.)
    D. Markeith Ambles, WR, Arizona Western C.C.
    So 23 with 21 seniors, Jaq and Adam Palenko. I am torn on the possibles, I do see the possibility of losing Bibbs and Wimbely and maybe a grade issues Tribune, Hodge, or possible Lanning (from what I have heard could have some get in the door issues). Don't forget about Brisly Estime, and Demetrius Cherry. Shortridge committed to Louisville yesterday....


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    Re: Iowa State's Class of 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by jburke View Post
    So 23 with 21 seniors, Jaq and Adam Palenko. I am torn on the possibles, I do see the possibility of losing Bibbs and Wimbely and maybe a grade issues Tribune, Hodge, or possible Lanning (from what I have heard could have some get in the door issues). Don't forget about Brisly Estime, and Demetrius Cherry. Shortridge committed to Louisville yesterday....
    Thanks. Hoped to get some more DT help but that's how recruiting goes. Maybe another school's de-commit after a coaching change is available?

    Possible signees, if slots open up
    A. Andre Lewis, WR, Diablo Valley C.C.
    B. Keith Kelsey Jr., LB, Gainesville, (Fla.)
    C. Markeith Ambles, WR, Arizona Western C.C.
    D. Brisly Estime, WR, Delray Beach, (Fla.) Atlantic
    E. Demetrius Cherry, DE, Contra Costa C.C.



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