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    Question Debate: Abortion?

    Alright, the topic had been brought up so here's the thread of all your whining and baby killing.

    I personally am for abortion, although I do have a stipulation or two. I think that any woman should be legally able to have an abortion if she sees fit. I do however, feel that all abortions, unless there is a medical reason, should be performed in the first trimester. No, I don't think that life begins at conception, but I think there needs to be limits so we don't have women killing babies the day before the due date, or during delivery for that matter on the premise of "it's an abortion".

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    Re: Abortion?

    Ohh boy, this outta be fun! I am staying out of this.


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    Re: Abortion?

    So why the stipulation on the 1st trimester? Does the baby suddenly become "alive" when it gets more developed?



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    Re: Abortion?

    You’re getting positive rep for starting what might be the most controversial thread in the cave!

    Given that, I should provide my own views. I personally find it inconceivable how anyone could make the choice to have an abortion. I can’t envision any circumstance in which I would even consider it for a moment myself. However, I don’t really believe that life begins at conception, which to me makes it a choice, not a murder. I don’t make such choices for other people, so I am for abortion rights … but against abortion.



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    Re: Abortion?

    To me there is a continuum of pre-adult life beginning at conception and ending at adulthood (maybe at about 15-18).

    All distinctions in that continuum that are used to justify why abortion should be permitted before that time period but not after (e.g., no hearbeat, no ability to feel pain, no brainwaves, not born, not viable) are typically distinctions without a difference IMO.

    Just as an FYI, At one time I was favored capital punishment but now oppose it because it was contarty to my "sanctity of life" stance.


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    Re: Abortion?

    I am on the fence in three different ways.

    1. I dont support abortion because I think there are alot of women out there that see this as an easy fix to their bad choices, much like the pill.

    2. I do support abortion for those that are raped.

    3. I have a hard time with number 2 because I still feel its killing a child. Why should that child die because a terrible person put it there. But I also understand that the woman will probably never relate positively to that child because it wasnt made in the presence of love.

    I have a really torn feeling from this. I was adopted, where I could have been aborted. My mother did not conceive me in love but in lust or loneliness. Instead she took the higher road and let someone give me a home. I do know who she was but I dont know who he was. He could have been a jerk, criminal, or whatever, but I was given to a loving family who raised me right.



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    Re: Abortion?

    Rules for this thread, this is the only warning given on such a divisive and controversial subject...

    No warnings will be given for vulgar or threatening comments. Anybody that breaks the rules will be given a 2-day ban or worse. Anything bad that happens should cause negative rep to be given and credits taken away.


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    Re: Abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by iceclone View Post
    You’re getting positive rep for starting what might be the most controversial thread in the cave!

    Given that, I should provide my own views. I personally find it inconceivable how anyone could make the choice to have an abortion. I can’t envision any circumstance in which I would even consider it for a moment myself. However, I don’t really believe that life begins at conception, which to me makes it a choice, not a murder. I don’t make such choices for other people, so I am for abortion rights … but against abortion.
    Would either incest or a situation where the mothers life was in jeopardy be a circumstance where you might consider abortion?



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    Re: Debate: Abortion?

    I'm not going to get involved in the debate, but I just wanted to drop in my 2 cents. It will probably be a surprise to those of you that have read my posting in the politics forums, but I'm pro-life. I believe life begins at conception so abortion is killing. As far as instances of rape, I too am torn. Practically I don't believe abortion will become illegal any time soon, so I'd like to see restrictions put on later term abortions.


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    Re: Debate: Abortion?

    The thead come back! Hooray for Mr. Lind!


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    Re: Debate: Abortion?

    Before kids -- pro choice
    After kids -- not sure anymore, could never live with myself if I was pro choice.


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    Re: Debate: Abortion?

    IMO, the Constitution was not meant to provide answers to the abortion question. The substantive due process used by the court in Roe and Casey was and still is a huge intellectual cop-out.

    States should have their own rules based on local values. Alabama and California are very different states for a reason.


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    Re: Debate: Abortion?

    Previous thread (including a poll) about this:

    http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...e-vs-wade.html


    Last edited by Angie; 11-15-2007 at 07:03 PM.
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    Re: Debate: Abortion?

    I agree that the Roe opinion was an was an extravagant exercise of judicial power. The abortion issue should have been decided by the political will of the people (the 50 state legislatures).



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    Re: Debate: Abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post
    I agree that the Roe opinion was an was an extravagant exercise of judicial power. The abortion issue should have been decided by the political will of the people (the 50 state legislatures).
    I went to a presentation by Scalia about a year ago. He said law school didn't prepare him for questions like abortion, death penalty, sodomy, etc. Such questions are best left to the electorate than the personal opinions of 9 judges.


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