Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 32
  1. #1
    Addict
    Points: 165,941, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Album pictures50000 Experience Points
    jaretac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Frigidaire
    Posts
    7,634
    Points
    165,941
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2
    Given: 0

    Rhoads Recuriting

    I've seen more and more threads questioning Rhoads. That is somewhat understandable. We have had 4 years of winning 3 conference games after all. Putting the SOS aside, recruiting is one of the best indicators about where the program is headed.

    First I understand that players get missed by recruiting sites sometimes, but overall I think it is safe to assume that the more higher rated players the better correct? These grades are taken from ESPN, for my proposes that was the best site to get info from.

    Class Grade # Commits #Graded #JC Average Graded Commit
    2013 1433 24 19 2 75.42
    2012 1188 21 16 2 74.25
    2011 1046 24 14 4 74.71
    2010 895 28 12 7 74.58
    2009 1122 25 15 6 74.80
    2008 733 24 10 2 73.30
    2007 497 24 7 11 71.00
    2006 1149 32 16 4 71.81

    First I understand that players get missed by recruiting sites sometimes but overall I think it is safe to assume that the more higher rated players the better correct? These grades are taken from ESPN, for my proposes that was the best site to get info from.

    I think what pops out the most to me is that while the average grade hasn't changed that much since even Chizik's last year, the number of players that we are getting that are graded has increased.

    These players weren't graded for a reason. Theory would have it more graded players equals more depth. If I were to mark non graded players as 0 and figure them into the average it would look like this:

    Average Non Juco Commit
    2013 65.14
    2012 62.53
    2011 52.30
    2010 42.62
    2009 59.05
    2008 33.32
    2007 38.23
    2006 41.04

    I've before compared what Rhoads is doing here to what Gundy did at OSU. They are the only two coaches in the conference to go to bowl games 3 of their first 4 seasons. Want to take a look at OSU's class of 2006, they were 4-7 in 2005:

    Class Grade # Commits #Graded #JC Average Graded Commit
    1657 29 22 3 75.32


    Last OSU class

    Class Grade # Commits #Graded #JC Average Graded Commit
    1379 23 18 3 76.61

    We really are not that far behind where they were when they started winning 10+ games. The key is consistent recruiting and building upon what we have. One class does not make a team, not even two, as our depth builds our program will improve. For those worried about whether we can recruit to Ames, don't be. What the coaches can do with it is another story.



  2. #2
    Rookie
    Points: 7,658, Level: 26
    Level completed: 18%, Points required for next Level: 492
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered5000 Experience Points
    ILiftWithRoyce's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Ankeny
    Posts
    565
    Points
    7,658
    Level
    26
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 13
    Given: 19

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Thanks for compiling these. This is a neat way to look at things and in fact does show that CPR might know what he's doing (insert sarcasm smiley)


    I AM SO FOOTBALL TO BE YOUR PROUD COACH

  3. #3
    Legend
    Points: 179,651, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 16.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Aclone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Des Moines, Ia.
    Posts
    12,785
    Points
    179,651
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 136
    Given: 530

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    I understand defending CPR. But using "rankings" to do it (especially useless ESPN's rankings) isn't the way to do it.

    Tell you what. Since it's CPR and his staff's evaluation skills that are relevant, run through the 2010 class, his first full signing class (the preceiding class was mostly the old staff's), and see how many of those players have contributed thus far--regardless of their ranking. And remember that most of those guys are just redshirt sophs--but are the closest to "proven or unproven".


    Last edited by Aclone; 11-29-2012 at 12:27 PM.


    Paul Rhoads' players never quit.
    (They just disappear offseason)


  4. #4
    Speechless
    Points: 315,066, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 48.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    bawbie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Posts
    18,258
    Points
    315,066
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 465
    Given: 1,101

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    I understand defendign CPR. But using "rankings" to do it (especially usless ESPN's rankings) isn't the way to do it.

    Tell you what. Since it's CPR and his staff's evaluation skills that are relevant, run through the 2010 class, his first full signing class (the preceiding class was mostly the old staff's), and see how many of those players have contributed thus far--regardless of their ranking. And remember that most of those guys are just redshirt sophs--but are the closest to "proven or unproven".
    I did this with the 2011 class (RS Fr) earlier this week in another thread, but I'm too lazy to go find it now.

    By my calculation 17 of the 24 members of that class played non-special teams minutes this year (maybe 18, I didn't count Pompey, but someone said he played against Kansas). That seems to be a pretty good statement by itself.



  5. #5
    All-Star
    Points: 37,726, Level: 59
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 124
    Overall activity: 7.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered25000 Experience Points
    Cyclonin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    1,938
    Points
    37,726
    Level
    59
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 198
    Given: 813

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    This is a quality look, thanks for gathering.

    I will play devil's advocate though.

    I personally think the # graded is more due to staffing issues with ESPN. Recruiting to us consumers has ballooned the last couple years. Everyone concerned about stars,grades, offers, etc. ESPN had to keep up and now have a lot more people out there.

    I tend to agree with you that we are doing better, but I don't necessarily agree the # graded recruits is the difference.



  6. #6
    Legend
    Points: 179,651, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 16.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Aclone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Des Moines, Ia.
    Posts
    12,785
    Points
    179,651
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 136
    Given: 530

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Quote Originally Posted by bawbie View Post
    I did this with the 2011 class (RS Fr) earlier this week in another thread, but I'm too lazy to go find it now.

    By my calculation 17 of the 24 members of that class played non-special teams minutes this year (maybe 18, I didn't count Pompey, but someone said he played against Kansas). That seems to be a pretty good statement by itself.
    Exactly. I think that you will see more and more of CPR's own recruits contributing solidly as each class progresses.




    Paul Rhoads' players never quit.
    (They just disappear offseason)


  7. #7
    All-Star
    Points: 36,685, Level: 59
    Level completed: 3%, Points required for next Level: 1,165
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points
    theyork's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    hedgesville, wv
    Posts
    1,456
    Points
    36,685
    Level
    59
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 9
    Given: 0

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    I understand defending CPR. But using "rankings" to do it (especially useless ESPN's rankings) isn't the way to do it.

    Tell you what. Since it's CPR and his staff's evaluation skills that are relevant, run through the 2010 class, his first full signing class (the preceiding class was mostly the old staff's), and see how many of those players have contributed thus far--regardless of their ranking. And remember that most of those guys are just redshirt sophs--but are the closest to "proven or unproven".
    recruit rankings and young players contributing don't necessarily indicate direction or success. wins do. the most telling sign to me that we are at least heading in the right direction is that we generally are in the games in the 4 quarter with a chance to win. we haven't won all of them, but having that chance is half the battle. now, just win (duh, right). we have gotten to the point where we are consistently average, instead of being consistently bad. now we need to get to being consistently good.



  8. #8
    Walk On
    Points: 5,810, Level: 22
    Level completed: 52%, Points required for next Level: 240
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    130
    Points
    5,810
    Level
    22
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3
    Given: 10

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Quote Originally Posted by jaretac View Post
    I've seen more and more threads questioning Rhoads. That is somewhat understandable. We have had 4 years of winning 3 conference games after all. Putting the SOS aside, recruiting is one of the best indicators about where the program is headed.

    First I understand that players get missed by recruiting sites sometimes, but overall I think it is safe to assume that the more higher rated players the better correct? These grades are taken from ESPN, for my proposes that was the best site to get info from.

    Class Grade # Commits #Graded #JC Average Graded Commit
    2013 1433 24 19 2 75.42
    2012 1188 21 16 2 74.25
    2011 1046 24 14 4 74.71
    2010 895 28 12 7 74.58
    2009 1122 25 15 6 74.80
    2008 733 24 10 2 73.30
    2007 497 24 7 11 71.00
    2006 1149 32 16 4 71.81

    First I understand that players get missed by recruiting sites sometimes but overall I think it is safe to assume that the more higher rated players the better correct? These grades are taken from ESPN, for my proposes that was the best site to get info from.

    I think what pops out the most to me is that while the average grade hasn't changed that much since even Chizik's last year, the number of players that we are getting that are graded has increased.

    These players weren't graded for a reason. Theory would have it more graded players equals more depth. If I were to mark non graded players as 0 and figure them into the average it would look like this:

    Average Non Juco Commit
    2013 65.14
    2012 62.53
    2011 52.30
    2010 42.62
    2009 59.05
    2008 33.32
    2007 38.23
    2006 41.04

    I've before compared what Rhoads is doing here to what Gundy did at OSU. They are the only two coaches in the conference to go to bowl games 3 of their first 4 seasons. Want to take a look at OSU's class of 2006, they were 4-7 in 2005:

    Class Grade # Commits #Graded #JC Average Graded Commit
    1657 29 22 3 75.32


    Last OSU class

    Class Grade # Commits #Graded #JC Average Graded Commit
    1379 23 18 3 76.61

    We really are not that far behind where they were when they started winning 10+ games. The key is consistent recruiting and building upon what we have. One class does not make a team, not even two, as our depth builds our program will improve. For those worried about whether we can recruit to Ames, don't be. What the coaches can do with it is another story.
    Nothing new here, but recruiting rankings in football are a waste of time. Too many players across too many different states, divisions, level of competition to get a accurate evaluation. I place no importance on recruiting rankings. "Scouts" these days are guys like us watching YouTube highlight videos prepared by Parents and checking offer lists.



  9. #9
    Pro
    Points: 58,848, Level: 75
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 1,202
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    djcubby's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Des Moines, IA
    Posts
    2,878
    Points
    58,848
    Level
    75
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 69
    Given: 68

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Well, at least you spelled Rhoads correctly



  10. #10
    All-Star
    Points: 36,685, Level: 59
    Level completed: 3%, Points required for next Level: 1,165
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points
    theyork's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    hedgesville, wv
    Posts
    1,456
    Points
    36,685
    Level
    59
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 9
    Given: 0

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    Exactly. I think that you will see more and more of CPR's own recruits contributing solidly as each class progresses.
    well i certainly hope so. soon enough they'll all be CPR's "own" recruits. isn't there only one more year of chiz recruits left after this season?



  11. #11
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 56,237, Level: 73
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 813
    Overall activity: 12.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    pulse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    4,634
    Points
    56,237
    Level
    73
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 39
    Given: 47

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Sill View Post
    Nothing new here, but recruiting rankings in football are a waste of time. Too many players across too many different states, divisions, level of competition to get a accurate evaluation. I place no importance on recruiting rankings. "Scouts" these days are guys like us watching YouTube highlight videos prepared by Parents and checking offer lists.
    I've never understood how people can't grasp this simple concept.

    Recruiting sites are for making money from people who don't understand this.



  12. #12
    Starter
    Points: 20,806, Level: 44
    Level completed: 7%, Points required for next Level: 844
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience PointsSocial
    BringBackJohnny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Ames
    Posts
    805
    Points
    20,806
    Level
    44
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 45
    Given: 20

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    I am pretty sure Paul once Said I don't care if you are black or white, 4 stars or no stars, as long as you buy into "All In" Paul will be sooo proud! :)


    Smoke um if you got um

  13. #13
    Just Win Baby
    Points: 302,578, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Clones85''s Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    13,339
    Points
    302,578
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3
    Given: 0

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Anybody who says that recruiting rankings for football don't matter....is clueless.


    Last edited by Clones85'; 11-29-2012 at 02:46 PM.

  14. #14
    Starter
    Points: 12,386, Level: 33
    Level completed: 63%, Points required for next Level: 264
    Overall activity: 9.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered10000 Experience Points
    Cyclonic1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Sun City, AZ
    Posts
    956
    Points
    12,386
    Level
    33
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 35
    Given: 137

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    Thanks for taking the time to put that post together - very interesting and informative.











    The sky is the limit. We are trying to win every game. We are going to try to get to that big stage, the Final Four, and play on. Monte Morris (May 2014)

    CYCLONE CLUB AND SUNSHINE & RAINBOWS JIHAD MEMBER

  15. #15
    Pro
    Points: 68,237, Level: 81
    Level completed: 11%, Points required for next Level: 1,513
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Des Moines
    Posts
    3,252
    Points
    68,237
    Level
    81
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 55
    Given: 2

    Re: Rhoads Recuriting

    This is interesting. But we need another team to compare. Could this be done for EIU for the same time period since during this time it is the same coaching staff. Not that I doubt the improvement but this could help eliminate extraneous factors like maybe over time scouting has gotten better therefore sites are able to evaluate more players and the such.

    If EIU rankings are steady or are over the place then it would lend same validity that maybe the recruiting has indeed improved.



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: Fox Sports 1
  • Iowa State vs. North Dakota State
  • August 30, 2014
  • 11:00 AM