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    McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Former Colorado Buffaloes coach blames racism for Jon Embree firing - ESPN

    This cracked me up. Is he out of his mind? If you want to keep your job, don't lead the nation in 40 point losses.

    "I think that offends every person of color out there. This guy can match wits with any white guy out there. He's the real deal."

    How do you watch your team lose at home to Sacramento State and say "this guy's the real deal"?



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    I don't think it was racist at all. Any coach would have been gone if they did what he did in 2 years. His players and fans had all given up on him.



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    We were really bad in the Chizik years. Colorado was way worse. Pregon could have put 100 on them without any starters playing if they would have wanted to. I'm sorry but they have no basis for argument here. I understand wanting time but there were next to 0 signs of any improvement and the roster isn't that bad. Leach won 5 games in year one with something similar.


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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    He didn't fail due to his race. He wasn't fired due to his race.

    He may have been hired due to his race, sadly.


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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    If Embree hadn't played for Bill I wonder if he would be so outspoken about this



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Well, Bill McCartney went 1-10 in his third year before he started cheating (kidding.) I guess I can see how he might think a guy should get more than two years on the job because by today's standards he'd have probably been fired back then.



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bader View Post
    If Embree hadn't played for Bill I wonder if he would be so outspoken about this
    Is he one of the ones who fathered a McCartney grandchild?



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Two years isn't nearly enough to turn a down program around. CU was beyond awful but they were playing tons of freshman and sophomores. Turner Gill didn't get a fair shake either. That KU program was left for dead after Mangino was shown the door. I don't think racism is in play but I would say black coaches have a shorter leash in certain situations than a white coach.



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Quote Originally Posted by Drive4cy View Post
    Two years isn't nearly enough to turn a down program around. CU was beyond awful but they were playing tons of freshman and sophomores. Turner Gill didn't get a fair shake either. That KU program was left for dead after Mangino was shown the door. I don't think racism is in play but I would say black coaches have a shorter leash in certain situations than a white coach.
    Gene Chizik won a national title two years ago. Danny Hope hasn't been awful. John L SMith is crazy (I wanted to put him in there but He destroyed a program) Charlie Weis had a great first year and was let go after year 4(?). I don't think race has anything to do with firing in most cases. You also can't say race isn't in play and then say black coaches may have a shorter leash. If you suck, you suck. Gill sucked, WIllingham sucked and Embree may have surpassed that level of suck.


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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bader View Post
    If Embree hadn't played for Bill I wonder if he would be so outspoken about this
    Yeah. I wondered if he had a personal grudge against the AD and was just trying to make his life a little more uncomfortable.



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Quote Originally Posted by isuchicago View Post
    Yeah. I wondered if he had a personal grudge against the AD and was just trying to make his life a little more uncomfortable.
    No, Coach Mac didn't have a grudge against the AD (prior to Sunday night). Coach Mac has been very visible the last couple years and has spoken many times at CU Athletic Department events.



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Quote Originally Posted by Drive4cy View Post
    Two years isn't nearly enough to turn a down program around. CU was beyond awful but they were playing tons of freshman and sophomores. Turner Gill didn't get a fair shake either. That KU program was left for dead after Mangino was shown the door. I don't think racism is in play but I would say black coaches have a shorter leash in certain situations than a white coach.
    Happens to white coaches too. Does anyone force black coaches to take bad jobs? Charlie Strong seems to be doing well. Charlie didn't jump on the first job that was offered.



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Why did Dan Hawkins get 5 years?



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Quote Originally Posted by 2forISU View Post
    Happens to white coaches too. Does anyone force black coaches to take bad jobs? Charlie Strong seems to be doing well. Charlie didn't jump on the first job that was offered.
    The fact is black coaches are not offered a lot of head coaching jobs. In the last 30 years there have been 41 black head coaches. 41! That's pretty terrible.



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    Re: McCartney: Colorado Coach Embree's firing racist???

    Quote Originally Posted by Mumbai1986 View Post
    Why did Dan Hawkins get 5 years?
    Program was not far removed from the Gary Barnett, um, situation and Hawkins had equity from his time as the Boise HC

    Edit: I am not defending Dan Hawkins, dude is on the same level as Todd Lickliter IMO



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