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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmb View Post
    Kinda was my guess, not financially viable though.
    We get good crowds at volleyball games, why not throw that money back into volleyball if there is sufficient money there. I would guess that the ISU volleyball program generates money. How do you decide whether it is financially viable?


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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by mitten1975 View Post
    We get good crowds at volleyball games, why not throw that money back into volleyball if there is sufficient money there. I would guess that the ISU volleyball program generates money. How do you decide whether it is financially viable?
    It probably doesn't turn a 'profit,' but most sports don't do that.


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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by mitten1975 View Post
    We get good crowds at volleyball games, why not throw that money back into volleyball if there is sufficient money there. I would guess that the ISU volleyball program generates money. How do you decide whether it is financially viable?
    Every program not named "Football" or "Men's Basketball" costs the Iowa State athletic department, and virtually every other collegiate athletics department, more than it brings in.



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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmb View Post
    honest question: why? What is the roi on this kind of investment? I struggle to believe this is a smart investment. I am prepared for the angry responses I am certain to get. But unless there is a real compelling business reason to do this I am hard pressed to think this makes much sense.
    So I'm guessing you'd shut down everything except football and men's basketball.


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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

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    So I'm guessing you'd shut down everything except football and men's basketball.
    Nice fallacy.



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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    I find it hard to believe that women's basketball doesn't do better especially at ISU. It has a good crowd following, lots of games, the same scholarship burden or less than men's basketball. Does television bring in that much revenue? I would think that just ticket sales would come close to paying for women's basketball.


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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    So I'm guessing you'd shut down everything except football and men's basketball.
    Well if one were to run academia as a business yes. That isn't probably the best plan, so I would wait until:
    1-a donor or donors wanted to make this specific type of charitable gift
    2-the cash flow sports provided the cash flow that could justify the expense of this single use facility.

    The notion is in tough choices tough questions should be asked. While I knew someone would post a silly post like yours,it is important to note money isn't so abundant that capital investments with little roi can be made. This is the real world, and real decisions need to be made. Welcome.


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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by mitten1975 View Post
    I find it hard to believe that women's basketball doesn't do better especially at ISU. It has a good crowd following, lots of games, the same scholarship burden or less than men's basketball. Does television bring in that much revenue? I would think that just ticket sales would come close to paying for women's basketball.
    The number of WBB programs in the black can be counted on one hand. I think ISU WBB runs at a deficit of around 1.0 to 1.5 million, which is better than most schools in the Big 12. Salaries, travel expenses, and recruiting expenses really add up.



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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by mred View Post
    The number of WBB programs in the black can be counted on one hand. I think ISU WBB runs at a deficit of around 1.0 to 1.5 million, which is better than most schools in the Big 12. Salaries, travel expenses, and recruiting expenses really add up.
    Exactly correct.

    So let's bring up a controversial topic; do WBB coaches + assistants need to get paid that much? I bet there's a huge line of credible (and successful) candidates willing to do the job for less salary.



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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    I stated an opinion. You confirmed the opinion. What was silly about the post?

    Going a little further, let's talk about the business decisions. The athletic department's goal is to make money, but it is bound by regulation-- namely, Title IX. For every scholarship in a men's sport, there needs to be a certain number of scholarship's in women's sports. Therefore, you've got a requirement to invest in women's sports.

    If you take for granted the notion that women's sports are sinkholes, then the best you can do is to minimize the loss. But you should never completely give up on making a profit. The situation in ISU volleyball is actually one of the best chances you have at ISU to make a return on the investment. ISU has a high-profile coach who has taken the program to a high level in a short amount of time. Fans are taking note and are investing themselves into the program. In order to continue the success, additional investment is needed to 1. retain the coach, and 2. get her the talent needed to compete for conference and national championships. With success on the court, additional revenue opportunities arise.

    The alternative, of course, is to not invest in the program at all, watch your brand recognition circle the drain, and continue to lose money while receiving zero benefits from the program at all. Your choice.


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    In 11-12:
    FB expenses: $14.1m; revenue: $29.8m; NET: $15.7m
    MBB expenses: $4.4m; revenue: $7.9m; NET: $3.5m
    WBB expenses: $2.8m; revenue: $0.85m; NET: ($1.95m)
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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Go2Guy View Post
    I bet there's a huge line of credible (and successful) candidates willing to do the job for less salary.
    I bet there isn't. Also, keep in mind that losing less money than you otherwise will can make it a wise investment, not to mention the indirect benefits of a successful program (more donations, more good press, etc)


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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by mred View Post
    I bet there isn't.
    So back to my original question, should collegiate WBB coaches and assistants get paid that much when the programs lose money?



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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by Go2Guy View Post
    So back to my original question, should collegiate WBB coaches and assistants get paid that much when the programs lose money?
    Sounds like your mind is made up already, so why even ask?


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    Re: Will Wisconsin come after CJL?

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Sounds like your mind is made up already, so why even ask?
    Don't be so pretentious; I had this discussion with my bro last weekend and I was defending the salary pay for BF and Bluder. just looking for more discussion points....geeze



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