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    The off guard position

    We need to get Wesley back, and we all can recognize this. We are struggling offensivly because we aren't getting any production from what is traditionally the most productive offensive position in a McDermott offense.

    It is extremely frustrating to watch, and it is frustrating to lose a winnable game like we played last night. However, back in the summer, McDermott was planning on having Taylor, Lucca, and Wesley available at this point. That's three guys down in one position.

    I would love for the team to be deep enough to handle that kind of problem, but it just isn't right now.

    I know Kansas is a great team, but they've lost Rush and Collins right now. What is Chalmers went down? They would be starting somebody like Russell Robinson and Rod Stewart. I'm going to venture a guess that they wouldn't look that good.

    This team will bounce back and be more competitive this year. Everybody knew that when we had 6 guys leave the team and lost all of our guards two years ago this would be a long process. I expect to be competitive this year, and then see some great things next year and the year after.

    At one point late in the game yesterday the guys on the floor were Garrett, Vette, Brackins, Petey, and Rahshon. Lucca and Wesley will be back for 3 years respectivly. How can you not be excited about the future? We all want to win now, but strap yourselves in because it's going to be a lot of fun in the future.



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    Re: The off guard position

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    Lucca and Wesley will be back for 3 years respectivly. How can you not be excited about the future? We all want to win now, but strap yourselves in because it's going to be a lot of fun in the future.
    Why would Wesley be back for 3 years if he plays this year?



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    Re: The off guard position

    two then, I'm still in the offseason mode where I'm thinking about him as a sophomore. two years after this year. But regardless, I think my point stands.



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    Re: The off guard position

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    We need to get Wesley back, and we all can recognize this. We are struggling offensivly because we aren't getting any production from what is traditionally the most productive offensive position in a McDermott offense.

    It is extremely frustrating to watch, and it is frustrating to lose a winnable game like we played last night. However, back in the summer, McDermott was planning on having Taylor, Lucca, and Wesley available at this point. That's three guys down in one position.

    I would love for the team to be deep enough to handle that kind of problem, but it just isn't right now.

    I know Kansas is a great team, but they've lost Rush and Collins right now. What is Chalmers went down? They would be starting somebody like Russell Robinson and Rod Stewart. I'm going to venture a guess that they wouldn't look that good.

    This team will bounce back and be more competitive this year. Everybody knew that when we had 6 guys leave the team and lost all of our guards two years ago this would be a long process. I expect to be competitive this year, and then see some great things next year and the year after.

    At one point late in the game yesterday the guys on the floor were Garrett, Vette, Brackins, Petey, and Rahshon. Lucca and Wesley will be back for 3 years respectivly. How can you not be excited about the future? We all want to win now, but strap yourselves in because it's going to be a lot of fun in the future.
    I disagree. While not having Lucca and Wesley definitely hurts, the biggest problem with this team is that we do not have a point guard. This was the same problem as last year. Garret shows some promise but makes a lot of freshmen mistakes. I like Peterson but he is not a Big 12 point guard. He got picked clean just bringing the ball up the court. He is better playing off guard. We need someone to be able to run the offense.



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    Re: The off guard position

    I think we could have definetely used Dominic Buckley this year. I think he will provide our athletic point position and be the floor general he is supposed to be. And will be starting next year



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    Re: The off guard position

    We miss Taylor's scoring. That's for sure.

    Gary is right. We need a true point guard. While I think Garrett is the guy, we have no one to run the point while Garrett learns how to play college basketball.



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    Re: The off guard position

    Quote Originally Posted by BryceC View Post
    I know Kansas is a great team, but they've lost Rush and Collins right now. What is Chalmers went down? They would be starting somebody like Russell Robinson and Rod Stewart. I'm going to venture a guess that they wouldn't look that good.
    No it wouldn't




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    Re: The off guard position

    Jiri and Craig were just as much the problem last night as well. I don't know if Jiri is still hurt or what, but he reminded me a lot of the older Jiri. Craig didn't look ready for Bradley.



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    Re: The off guard position

    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCyed View Post
    Jiri and Craig were just as much the problem last night as well. I don't know if Jiri is still hurt or what, but he reminded me a lot of the older Jiri. Craig didn't look ready for Bradley.
    I think you're right that these guys weren't as aggressive as they needed to be, but the pressure the BU guards put on our guards prevented easy post feeds. Some of the post guys ineffectiveness has to be on the guards.


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    Re: The off guard position

    Quote Originally Posted by isucyfan View Post
    I think you're right that these guys weren't as aggressive as they needed to be, but the pressure the BU guards put on our guards prevented easy post feeds. Some of the post guys ineffectiveness has to be on the guards.
    I agree with that as well. I think DG had a bit easier of a time with the press, but both he and BP struggled with it.

    Jiri was still outside of the paint way more than I like to see out of a center.



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    Re: The off guard position

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary_ISU View Post
    I disagree. While not having Lucca and Wesley definitely hurts, the biggest problem with this team is that we do not have a point guard. This was the same problem as last year. Garret shows some promise but makes a lot of freshmen mistakes. I like Peterson but he is not a Big 12 point guard. He got picked clean just bringing the ball up the court. He is better playing off guard. We need someone to be able to run the offense.
    I don't agree. Peterson can be a big 12 point guard. He will make mistakes, but I think he will grow.


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    Re: The off guard position

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    I agree with that as well. I think DG had a bit easier of a time with the press, but both he and BP struggled with it.

    Jiri was still outside of the paint way more than I like to see out of a center.

    Jiri continues to shoot at least one shot from the top of the key every game. When is the last time he made one of those? Time for him to forget the outside shot and concentrate on getting a good look under the basket. He also needs to be more careful when he puts it on the floor. He had 3 turnovers last night, and it seemed like more than that.



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    Re: The off guard position

    Considering we also can't make a pass into the post without totally telegraphing it and turning it over, it would be nice to have Lucca for his passing ability as well.

    I agree with others that the PG position won't be settled until later this year or next year when Buckley arrives.

    Of course our PG play could be improved. However, there really isn't anything that can be done about that at this point other than wait for Garrett to settle in or Peterson to take better care of the ball. However, our starting shooting guard is 1-15 from the floor and isn't exactly a defensive stopper. Wesley will be a drastic upgrade there when he becomes healthy and I think that will make us a lot more competitive of a team. Then you can rotate Garrett and Peterson at the 1 and that position will at least be serviceable.



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    Re: The off guard position

    Jiri is still hurt and our guards struggled to get the ball inside to him and Brackins.

    I agree with Bryce yet also think we still need a true point guard. Maybe we have one on our team - we just have not seen him show up yet. These guys are young so I'm willing to give them some time.

    And, we have guy coming in next year that looks like he fits that point guard role perfectly.



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    Re: The off guard position

    I think we had a lot of opportunities last night to get the ball insides, but the passes were not made right away. There was a lot of staring at the player before it was thrown. We also did a terrible job of relocating after a post entry pass. They were doubling all of our post players as soon as they touched the ball. We need to do a better job of giving the post play room to operate. If I remember correctly, the weak side post was coming over to double, which would mean a high post flash would be open for the backside post. They only problem is that we have a man at the point (top of the key) standing and waiting for who knows what. I don't mind Jiri taking the top of the key jumper. Taking one or two doesn't hurt us, it will help to spread the floor more when Wesley gets back. I would however like to see our posts do a lot more of turning and facing to help take away the possibility of the double team. It will help them to see the floor along with giving them the ability to put the ball on the floor and be a threat. Also, we need to realize that Jiri came back in what, 2-3 weeks off his foot fracture? That is still a short recovery time and the bone is still healing. He is probably maybe 75% at best. Give him time to get fully healthy, I think after X-mas we will be able to really tell of Jiri's impact.



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