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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    I think Baylor and Kansas have similar problems with D (Kansas with a small edge) I went ahead a put the Baylor numbers against the Kansas numbers.

    Passing C-A-I Yds TD Long Sack
    Richardson, Sam B. 23-27-0 250 4 30 0
    Rushing No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
    Richardson, Sam B. 11 44 1 43 1 9 3.9

    Passing C-A-I Yds TD Long Sack
    Jantz, Steele 36-52-1 381 5 36 0
    Rushing No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
    Jantz, Steele 10 58 4 54 0 17 5.4

    The numbers seem to back up what we all saw. SR hits the receiver more often then the other two QBs. SJ and and SR can both get it done against a sub par defense but SR makes it look prettier.



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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Quote Originally Posted by CySmitty View Post
    I think Baylor and Kansas have similar problems with D (Kansas with a small edge) I went ahead a put the Baylor numbers against the Kansas numbers.

    Passing C-A-I Yds TD Long Sack
    Richardson, Sam B. 23-27-0 250 4 30 0
    Rushing No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
    Richardson, Sam B. 11 44 1 43 1 9 3.9

    Passing C-A-I Yds TD Long Sack
    Jantz, Steele 36-52-1 381 5 36 0
    Rushing No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
    Jantz, Steele 10 58 4 54 0 17 5.4

    The numbers seem to back up what we all saw. SR hits the receiver more often then the other two QBs. SJ and and SR can both get it done against a sub par defense but SR makes it look prettier.
    As we have debated now for years, how do you account for drops? A QB's accuracy can have a lot to do with drops, but the drops against Baylor were on the WRs.



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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Quote Originally Posted by CySmitty View Post
    I think Baylor and Kansas have similar problems with D (Kansas with a small edge) I went ahead a put the Baylor numbers against the Kansas numbers.

    Passing C-A-I Yds TD Long Sack
    Richardson, Sam B. 23-27-0 250 4 30 0
    Rushing No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
    Richardson, Sam B. 11 44 1 43 1 9 3.9

    Passing C-A-I Yds TD Long Sack
    Jantz, Steele 36-52-1 381 5 36 0
    Rushing No. Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
    Jantz, Steele 10 58 4 54 0 17 5.4

    The numbers seem to back up what we all saw. SR hits the receiver more often then the other two QBs. SJ and and SR can both get it done against a sub par defense but SR makes it look prettier.
    And time will tell if Richardson can go beyond SJ and get it done against a stronger defense. Which is the point the OP was trying to make, I believe, before everyone (myself included) castrated his post.



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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBentStick View Post
    And time will tell if Richardson can go beyond SJ and get it done against a stronger defense. Which is the point the OP was trying to make, I believe, before everyone (myself included) castrated his post.
    To be fair, OP castrated the post, everyone else just pointed it out.



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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Quote Originally Posted by spitfyr36 View Post
    Remember Baylor? I know it wasnt Jantz but you have to the simularities
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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Just the point spread in the scores, make me think Kansas has a tougher "D" than Baylor

    KU lost to OSU 20-14
    KU lost to Texas 21-17
    KU lost to TTech 41-34 (OT)

    ISU lost to OSU 31-10
    ISU lost to Texas 33-7
    ISU lost to TTech 24-13




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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    SR looked better against KU (who has a wayyyy better D than Baylor) than Jantz looked against Baylor
    Richardson looked better against KU than Jantz looked against Western Illinois! Not saying he's the second coming or anything, but he's clearly the best QB ISU has right now.



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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Off subject, I like how this thread went from a botched typejob with little understanding, into a legitimate thread.

    Well played, sir.




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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Recall that Kansas was just coming off an overtime game with TTech and game where they held Texas to 14 points for 58 minutes and Texas needed final driver to beat them. This was no gimme game - all KU needed was a little confidence on senior night to make this a dogfight. They just about go it in that first quarter with some typical turnovers and the defense needing to find its legs.

    Even if the numbers are comparable, there is a huge difference in the area of leadership in aspects like poise, composure, and decision-making. Richardson is just a natural quarterback. He is the QB that looked like the 5th year senior against KU whereas Jantz has looked like a redshirt freshman several times THIS year. If people can't see the tangible difference in the jittery, nervous style of play compared to a cool, confident one I don't know where to go with this topic.

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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclophile1 View Post
    Recall that Kansas was just coming off an overtime game with TTech and game where they held Texas to 14 points for 58 minutes and Texas needed final driver to beat them. This was no gimme game - all KU needed was a little confidence on senior night to make this a dogfight. They just about go it in that first quarter with some typical turnovers and the defense needing to find its legs.

    Even if the numbers are comparable, there is a huge difference in the area of leadership in aspects like poise, composure, and decision-making. Richardson is just a natural quarterback. He is the QB that looked like the 5th year senior against KU whereas Jantz has looked like a redshirt freshman several times THIS year. If people can't see the tangible difference in the jittery, nervous style of play compared to a cool, confident one I don't know where to go with this topic.

    Cheers
    I somewhat agree but did you see all the time Richardson had? I would have been comfortable back there too.



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    Re: so...whos gunna say it

    Even Jantz's throw for the TD to Woody was off. Way low. SJ has shown himself to be less than stellar with throws/interceptions, decision making, fumbles, panicking and abandoning the pocket. So far (EMPHASIS) Sam has not shown any of that. How it will play out is for Friday to decide. Hoping itls our turn for a QB to shine!


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