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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatllDoCy View Post
    This is why I agreed. We need to be more unpredictable by making better reads and utilizing the base offense better. It should provide opportunities. A predictable play call, but unpredictable in execution. Running twice then throwing is not fooling anyone. The QB rarely keeps and we never throw out of the zone read diminishing the effectiveness IMO.
    I'm not sure if you are using the words predictable and unpredictable correctly but I certainly understand your point.



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    While I agree we can't be 50/50 and successful the way we are doing it. Without a large talent advantage, you have to use the defense against themselves and make them adjust to things by doing things they want to do. Every defense in the world would love to drop two safeties and leave three linebackers playing straight up. You have to make teams not do that. We don't. The only thing teams do against us is blitz to death because we have nothing for it. Nothing. Part of that's Steele, parts of that's Mess. After looking, the Oline isn't great, but it isn't the limiting factor for the most part.
    I still wonder how much of a difference would be made if the QB could audible. Because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the blitz and then change out of a zone read to a short pass. Unfortunately in our offense that's not an option, only changing the blocking scheme is.



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    I think it'd help if we could hang onto the motherloving ball



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by NickTheGreat View Post
    I think it'd help if we could hang onto the motherloving ball
    As in catch the damn thing???? I agree with this wholeheartedly, our receiver drops were our demise against OU and Texas and honestly Horn had too many against Baylor as well.



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Recruit and scheme better offensive line run blocking. And go under center for petes sake. Running the ball out of shotgun is not nearly as successful as under center. If we want to be a run dominant team, quit running pass dominant sets.



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    Only thing I disagree with to some extent is to do something until it stops working. I think that's a novel concept, but essentially a team needs to be true to their identity. I think (I'm not sure because we have been so inconsistent) we are supposed to be a 50-50 run-pass team. That means even if the run is working, we can't completely abandon the pass. I think a lot of people on this board don't want to see any passes thrown at all when the run is working and I frankly disagree with that. You have to stay somewhat true to your identity. That's why pass heavy offenses don't start trying to run the ball even when they have the lead.
    This proves both sides of the argument. Assuming the pass heavy team achieved the lead through the air, then they might be sticking with it because it works and not because that is their "identity".



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by Luth4Cy View Post
    I'm not sure if you are using the words predictable and unpredictable correctly but I certainly understand your point.
    huh?


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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    Recruit and scheme better offensive line run blocking. And go under center for petes sake. Running the ball out of shotgun is not nearly as successful as under center. If we want to be a run dominant team, quit running pass dominant sets.
    This is statistically false.


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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    This is statistically false.
    can you post a link to your info? it says running the ball out of shot gun is more effective?



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    We need to run the ball more, but less with Jantz. He averages a fraction of what White and SJ get,, but had as many Carries as both combined.


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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by ripvdub View Post
    We need to run the ball more, but less with Jantz. He averages a fraction of what White and SJ get,, but had as many Carries as both combined.
    Sacks included?


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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by dualthreat View Post
    can you post a link to your info? it says running the ball out of shot gun is more effective?
    2012 NCAA Division I-A College Football Team Statistics Leaders for Rushing - ESPN

    At least 13 of the top 20 are spread teams in pure yardage and if you go by y/c more than that are spread teams, many of which don't have a huge talent advantage. The thing it does is expand ways in which a player can be effective at the QB position. Kain Colter is a prime example.


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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    I don't know why you bothered writing all that, when the reasons the offense has been subpar are obvious.

    A. Pass blocking. CPR commented on it on his call-in show last night.

    B. Receivers dropping balls.

    C. Quarterback inaccuracy.

    Given all of that and the offensive inconsistency, I fail to see how you can possibly gather any conclusions about play calling.

    Still, what is apparent is that the problem is a team effort...and that's the only way it's going to have to be fixed.




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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    I don't know why you bothered writing all that, when the reasons the offense has been subpar are obvious.

    A. Pass blocking. CPR commented on it on his call-in show last night.

    B. Receivers dropping balls.

    C. Quarterback inaccuracy.

    Given all of that and the offensive inconsistency, I fail to see how you can possibly gather any conclusions about play calling.

    Still, what is apparent is that the problem is a team effort...and that's the only way it's going to have to be fixed.
    This is true, but I think weaknesses in Pass blocking and QB inaccuracy can be mitigated somewhat by playcalling as well. Drops on the other hand...not so much.



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    Re: The Offense: Why is doesn't work (IMO, but I'm right)

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    I don't know why you bothered writing all that, when the reasons the offense has been subpar are obvious.

    A. Pass blocking. CPR commented on it on his call-in show last night.

    B. Receivers dropping balls.

    C. Quarterback inaccuracy.

    Given all of that and the offensive inconsistency, I fail to see how you can possibly gather any conclusions about play calling.

    Still, what is apparent is that the problem is a team effort...and that's the only way it's going to have to be fixed.
    At least I got it in the right forum though huh. He also stated we get blitzed more. It's hard for 5 to block 5, let alone 6. So, if we aren't pass blocking well and we aren't catching the ball, the solution has to be to drop back and throw it without any motion or anything right? The pass blocking hasn't been awful when it was straight up. You have your two backs averaging 4.4 and 5.1 ypc. That's not great but it certainly isn't awful. Your QBs are averaging 6 per attempt. That number becomes about 5.5 without the bombs to Lenz. The play calling is all over the place. There just is no reason anything is run when it's run.


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