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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonepower View Post
    So in your opinion if we get to 6-6 you think the worst we would do is the Houston Bowl?
    If we're bowl eligible its either Houston or Dallas (shot at Holiday @ 7-5):

    Following is the Big 12's selection order:BCS - Tostitos Fiesta
    AT&T Cotton (SEC)
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    Buffalo Wild Wings (Big Ten)
    Bridgepoint Holiday (Pac-12)
    Meineke Car Care of Texas (Big Ten)
    New Era Pinstripe (Big East)
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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Funny some are saying at 7-5 that we are a lock for the Holiday and some that we have a shot...If TCU and WV finish at 6-6 you would think that we would get selected I just dont know if we have a good enough brand to be selected, I know we have been on the "right" end of being selected over other teams I would hate to be on the "wrong" end...



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonepower View Post
    Funny some are saying at 7-5 that we are a lock for the Holiday and some that we have a shot...If TCU and WV finish at 6-6 you would think that we would get selected I just dont know if we have a good enough brand to be selected, I know we have been on the "right" end of being selected over other teams I would hate to be on the "wrong" end...

    I don't think either WVU or TCU are known for travelling particularly well, especially to California from West Virginia.
    This would be ISUs first Holiday bowl ever and our fan base has built their reputation well. I think there would be a LOT of ISU fans heading to Cali for this one and the bowl reps know that too.



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWarning View Post
    Not if WVU beats us and finishes 7-5. They may not be available for Pinstripe if Holiday takes them. If TCU and ISU are left at 6-6, not sure the Pinstripe would not prefer ISU over TCU. Said another way, not sure there is any reason TCU would be expected to travel better to NYC than ISU.

    Key is to go 7-5 and pretty much lock up Holiday.


    TCU has a national fanbase because it draws students widely from across the country. Therefore, they travel, period, even if just for school. They are used to going to better bowls in recent years, but I think their fanbase would enjoy going to New York City. It is an awesome place to visit with so much to do, especially if the weather is fantastic like last year. I could see the Pinstripe Bowl wanting them over us because they have a national fanbase that might like to come to New York.



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Let's just say we finish 6-6. If they really want us, can't the Holiday Bowl pick 'out of order' and still take the Cyclones?


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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Regardless how next two games go, we're going to wish ISU had just won that TT game (or the KSU game, although as sweet as it would've been, probably wouldn't help our bowl possibilities at this point).



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Keep in mind, the bowl pecking order does not always dictate the order that teams finish in, in other words, WV is closer to NYC, Pinstripe might pick them first based on getting more fans. Plus bowls tend to pick a different team from year to year based on new exposure.



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Would prefer Military over returning to Pinstripe



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    how about we get to 6 wins first!



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    The common agreement coming down seems to be that the last 3 picks will be

    TCU (6-6)
    ISU (6-6 or 7-5) (if we're somehow 5-7 this discussion is moot)
    WVU (6-6 or 7-5)

    If the big 12 gets 2 bcs spots as is becoming expected.

    The w-l will be close enough (within 1 win) that they might as well be equal in bowl selection eyes, as there is often a good amount of movement in that area. At worst for us TCU will tie us at 6-6 (no way they beat UT or OU). WVU will be 7-5 if they beat us or 6-6 without. All 3 very much in the 'it wouldnt be a snub for one to get picked over the other' category.

    Given that, and given that bowls tend to work together to create matchups that drive attendance, i think theres a very real possibility of it going:

    ISU Holiday- fans travel well, and WVU fans all the way to CA is a stretch. TCU has tiny fanbase.
    TCU Meineke- they will want to get a texas team as they will fill the stands
    WVU pinstripe- closest team from the big 12 available, and a big east rematch



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    The common agreement coming down seems to be that the last 3 picks will be

    TCU (6-6)
    ISU (6-6 or 7-5) (if we're somehow 5-7 this discussion is moot)
    WVU (6-6 or 7-5)

    If the big 12 gets 2 bcs spots as is becoming expected.

    The w-l will be close enough (within 1 win) that they might as well be equal in bowl selection eyes, as there is often a good amount of movement in that area. At worst for us TCU will tie us at 6-6 (no way they beat UT or OU). WVU will be 7-5 if they beat us or 6-6 without. All 3 very much in the 'it wouldnt be a snub for one to get picked over the other' category.

    Given that, and given that bowls tend to work together to create matchups that drive attendance, i think theres a very real possibility of it going:

    ISU Holiday- fans travel well, and WVU fans all the way to CA is a stretch. TCU has tiny fanbase.
    TCU Meineke- they will want to get a texas team as they will fill the stands
    WVU pinstripe- closest team from the big 12 available, and a big east rematch


    TCU had trouble filling their own stadium for our game . . . because it was us, they had player problems, it was cold, and students were on break at homes far beyond Texas. Still, they are the least Texas-oriented Big 12 school in Texas, especially during a student break by their own admission.



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    TCU had trouble filling their own stadium for our game . . . because it was us, they had player problems, it was cold, and students were on break at homes far beyond Texas. Still, they are the least Texas-oriented Big 12 school in Texas, especially during a student break by their own admission.
    They have problems filling it with their own fans every game, its just that for many games they can fill seats with fans of closer schools. Being in a fairly central location to the big 12 they have that advantage that most teams are within short drives. I would imagine attendance for KU and WVU games will suck there in the future as well.

    As far as the students were on break excuse, they have 9000 students total. Even if all of their students had tickets and all of their students didnt show up due to break (but even then i would argue that skipping games due to a break says something about their fan turnout, especially related to bowls which are also during breaks), that wouldnt account for the huge gaps we saw.



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    They have problems filling it with their own fans every game, its just that for many games they can fill seats with fans of closer schools. Being in a fairly central location to the big 12 they have that advantage that most teams are within short drives. I would imagine attendance for KU and WVU games will suck there in the future as well.

    As far as the students were on break excuse, they have 9000 students total. Even if all of their students had tickets and all of their students didnt show up due to break (but even then i would argue that skipping games due to a break says something about their fan turnout, especially related to bowls which are also during breaks), that wouldnt account for the huge gaps we saw.

    In discussion with the TCU fans, I suggested that they look at the crowd for our game against West Virginia to see what a student section should look like during a break, even Thanksgiving. Granted, most of our students live within 3 hours, but they will be there is huge numbers.



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    TCU has a national fanbase because it draws students widely from across the country. Therefore, they travel, period, even if just for school. They are used to going to better bowls in recent years, but I think their fanbase would enjoy going to New York City. It is an awesome place to visit with so much to do, especially if the weather is fantastic like last year. I could see the Pinstripe Bowl wanting them over us because they have a national fanbase that might like to come to New York.
    I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but why do people keep saying TCU has a "national brand." Wikipedia shows them at 9500 enrollment, which is less than UNI. Says 75000 living alumni, a good chunk less than what UNI states of "over 100,000."

    Maybe they're just *known* to travel well?



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    Re: Bowl Predictor - Odds by the numbers

    Quote Originally Posted by NickTheGreat View Post
    I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything, but why do people keep saying TCU has a "national brand." Wikipedia shows them at 9500 enrollment, which is less than UNI. Says 75000 living alumni, a good chunk less than what UNI states of "over 100,000."

    Maybe they're just *known* to travel well?
    People make stuff up.



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