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    Terrible Defensive Scheme

    First I would like to say that this is not a thread just to trash the team after a bad game. I like Paul Rhoads and hope he is the coach for a long time to come. However, one strong point of good coaching is the ability to recognize and change when things are not going the way you expected.

    So where do I think he has the wrong idea and strategy? Getting pressure on the other team with defensive blitzes. He has said several times that he doesn't believe in blitzing in the Big XII and good quarterbacks because the ball is out of the QB's hands too quickly. This is old thinking with no evidence of it in reality, kind of like the saying your home is your biggest investment. Lots of people think that way just because it may have been at one point but really has very little evidence in reality. Yes, blitzing like the old days with a safety or corner from 10 yds deep will never cause problems for the offense. BUT, modern blitzing from good defenses utilize more defenders on the line of scrimmage than the O-line can block or threatening that and hoping they miss a read. Most of the time you won't get sacks but the idea is to get hurries, off balance throws, and basically throw the offense timing off. We saw that Texas brought blitzes pretty much every single play on defense. Wally coaches a good base defense but thats really all I've seen.

    Good QB's and offenses just sit back and pick us apart... over and over and over and... well we know what happens. If the front four for ISU has not been able to get pressure this year we basically have lost the game. This is scary because the front four has played outstanding this year stopping the run and getting pressure on some teams. This is a senior laden defense with some play makers. For the love of god turn them loose especially against the teams we are not supposed to win. What do you have to lose. Also, Kirby has been a great weapon pinning teams inside the 20 but it makes little difference when it just means the other team gets more yards to get down the field. Pin them deep and put some pressure on them.

    Here are our defensive stats in the Big XII.

    Texas
    31 first downs, 609 yards, 8-14 third downs
    Oklahoma
    34 first downs, 593 yards, 9-14 third downs
    Baylor
    32 first downs, 557 yards, 8-16 third downs
    Oklahoma State
    28 first downs, 625 yards, 9-18 third downs freshman QB
    Kansas State
    25 first downs, 364 yards, 8-17 third downs no spread offense but Heisman QB
    TCU
    25 first downs, 455 yards, 5-15 third downs freshman QB in first game and front four got some pressure
    Tech
    20 first downs, 395 yards, 7-16 third downs -- not too bad any offense and we win this game

    Sorry for the long post / rant.



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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    All I worry about are points against us. That said, having limited opponents to no more than 35 points should have meant more wins.

    We are point challenged.


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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    If you give up fewer third down conversions not only do you give your offense more chances but the defense gets more time to rest. You can also change the field position and give your offense some shorter fields to work with.



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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    You can put up some pretty pathetic offensive numbers too...



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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    In Big12 style of football, giving up 30 points is nothing too extreme.

    Scoring 7 points is.



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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    I will also add, it seems apparent what our D thinks of our offensive capabilities. They are going for a strip on EVERY PLAY. They know that our offense cannot score so the only way we even have a shot at winning a game, is having 3+ turnovers....even then it is not certain.



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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    Anyone who thinks our defense is the problem, is clueless. Our defense was not good today, but scoring 7 points a game will get you ZERO wins in the B12. Going 3 and out, 4 and out,etc.... puts the defense in a horrible position. Not sustaining drives means the defense is on the feild way too many times.



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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    No one ever lost a game by yardage. Points matter. Yards don't. That means the plan works in giving us a chance to win. The offense is a different story.



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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    I don't know why we're trying to decide whether the offense or defense was better or which was to blame. That was a pathetic effort by everyone but the punter.

    In this one, we failed as a team, from the head man all the way down. Nobody succeeded at their role in this debacle. Complete failure. No need to argue which failure was less failure. Failing is failing.


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    I thought the defense was worse than the offense today.

    Could be a product of expecting more out of the defense, but they were absolutely beaten up and down the field where the offense moved the ball frequently, but was handcuffed by ****** play calling. The run game is working? ABORT! We only had one offensive turnover that really counted. The defense forced nothing, and whiffed on numerous tackles.


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    Re: Terrible Defensive Scheme

    This is not a defensive conference. This is an offensive powerhouse. I don't care about our defense being able to shut-out opponents LSU style. I would rather our defense keeps the offense honest, and doesn't give up huge plays.

    I care more about our offense being able to hang with the rest of the conference. This defense has proven that it is an extremely good defense, but that doesn't matter when you're playing high octane offenses day in and day out. At the end of the day, you still have to be able to put up as many points as your opponent. THAT is what we struggle with. Not the defense.



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