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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Changes need to be made. The offense has let the program down the past 4 seasons.

    The scheme may work elsewhere, but it has not worked here. If it takes at least 5 years (likely more) to get to average, you picked the wrong scheme. Unfortunately, that mistake was made long ago. Going forward, is it best to stick with it? Not in my opinion. It likely ISU will always struggle to get the type of skills that make this offense successful.
    The offence have been down the last 10 years. 5 OCs and schemes later the offense still doesnt work well. 10 years ago fans wanted Looney and his pro style plan fired, then Mr Wallace showed up on campus and now fans would take him back in a sec. 8 years ago fans when Fine and his pro style was fired the fans wanted the spread. Barry Cotton was hired, brought the spread to ISU and well it didnt work well, fans wanted more of a spread. Mac was let go and Mcfarland was hired, Mcfarlands system was set up to be high paced throw the ball all over. That didnt work and fans wanted him fired. He was let go fans were raving when Herman was hired they guys style was crazy kick *** did every and anything, yet fans cheered as he left to OSU.


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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    The offence have been down the last 10 years. 5 OCs and schemes later the offense still doesnt work well. 10 years ago fans wanted Looney and his pro style plan fired, then Mr Wallace showed up on campus and now fans would take him back in a sec. 8 years ago fans when Fine and his pro style was fired the fans wanted the spread. Barry Cotton was hired, brought the spread to ISU and well it didnt work well, fans wanted more of a spread. Mac was let go and Mcfarland was hired, Mcfarlands system was set up to be high paced throw the ball all over. That didnt work and fans wanted him fired. He was let go fans were raving when Herman was hired they guys style was crazy kick *** did every and anything, yet fans cheered as he left to OSU.
    Given fans is analogous for a few people on a message board in your post, I have no doubt you have anecdotal evidence that there is not an offense that will make everyone on CF happy.
    Good thing there are other, more factual metrics to analyze the effectiveness of ths offense. Like the fact Loney was not at ISU in the past 10 seasons and that we have not had 5 different schemes.


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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    I would really like to see us move away from the zone read. It puts too much pressure on the QB to make the offense run well. If you think about it, our QB is in charge of passing game(as he should be) and the rushing game. If he can't run the zone read then your rushing game suffers and puts more pressure to pass.

    Obviously I don't have stats to back this up but I think most would agree that we run better when running out of the pistol formation, 2 back set, and diamond formation. Why? Generally those plays are designed runs where the RB will always get the ball. No QB option.

    I don't think it is the spread that is the issue. I think it is the version of the spread we use. I think trying to find an accurate passing, mobile QB is harder than just finding an accurate passing QB.



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Given fans is analogous for a few people on a message board in your post, I have no doubt you have anecdotal evidence that there is not an offense that will make everyone on CF happy.
    Good thing there are other, more factual metrics to analyze the effectiveness of ths offense.
    My point is it seems no matter the OC and the system the team has ran the past 10 years the offense doesnt seem to work great.


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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by bostrem00 View Post
    With the personnel ISU has to work with, changes will do very little unless a Cam Newton type player "miraculously" ends up in Ames......
    we had cam newton in seneca wallace form once upon a time. it helped, but we were still exposed as his senior season progressed...er...regressed. even a great QB can only do so much with so little.

    wallace was even the heisman frontrunner midseason. then everyone realized there were 10 other players on the offense that could be exposed.

    we simply need an upgrade in talent across the board. as if that is actually simple.



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone1985 View Post
    Execution. Execution. Execution.

    Hard to keep drives alive when the QB cannot hit a 3 yard hot route.
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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    The offence have been down the last 10 years. 5 OCs and schemes later the offense still doesnt work well. 10 years ago fans wanted Looney and his pro style plan fired, then Mr Wallace showed up on campus and now fans would take him back in a sec. 8 years ago fans when Fine and his pro style was fired the fans wanted the spread. Barry Cotton was hired, brought the spread to ISU and well it didnt work well, fans wanted more of a spread. Mac was let go and Mcfarland was hired, Mcfarlands system was set up to be high paced throw the ball all over. That didnt work and fans wanted him fired. He was let go fans were raving when Herman was hired they guys style was crazy kick *** did every and anything, yet fans cheered as he left to OSU.
    I think you are mis-remembering the last few years' offense..



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    We don't need better coaching. We need better production and I think the our key shortcoming compared with the rest of the league is talent.

    Our staff is maximizing our current talent base.
    We need a lot better talent to get "better production".



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by istater7 View Post
    I think you are mis-remembering the last few years' offense..
    I remember it. Look at what his offense looked like before he came to ISU.


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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    I remember it. Look at what his offense looked like before he came to ISU.
    I thought you were referencing when he actually was coaching at ISU



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    We got beat by a better team. It's pretty simple. Yesterday was a snapshot of where we stand as a program. Firing everyone isn't going to solve the underlying fact - Rhoads is building something and it's not a simple process. We lose a game to one of the best programs in the country and people freak. Even the perfect play calling against Texas doesn't mean we win that game. Texas has 3 quarterbacks that would start at ISU. SO what - Jantz sucks? C'mon. Rhoads can't recruit? C'mon. Look at Bundrage and George yesterday. We're on the right path. The staff needs to keep doing what they are doing and we'll get better. We still have a chance to go 7-5. A pretty good chance. We're not pushovers. AND we're certainly not the Texas Longhorns. Some people need to realize that.



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by kberyldial View Post
    We got beat by a better team. It's pretty simple. Yesterday was a snapshot of where we stand as a program. Firing everyone isn't going to solve the underlying fact - Rhoads is building something and it's not a simple process. We lose a game to one of the best programs in the country and people freak. Even the perfect play calling against Texas doesn't mean we win that game. Texas has 3 quarterbacks that would start at ISU. SO what - Jantz sucks? C'mon. Rhoads can't recruit? C'mon. Look at Bundrage and George yesterday. We're on the right path. The staff needs to keep doing what they are doing and we'll get better. We still have a chance to go 7-5. A pretty good chance. We're not pushovers. AND we're certainly not the Texas Longhorns. Some people need to realize that.
    I'd hope we're not this much worse offensively than Kansas, etc. Apparently we're slightly above New Mexico.

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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    Sage Rosenfelds is looking for a job. Just saying.



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    The problem with this offense, is you need an elite NFL type QB to make it work. You can't hide your QB with this system. I think next year, if we don't have one of those guys. I say we committ to Jared Barnett, and committ to the run. I'd like us to look at what Kansas State is doing with Collin Klien, and run a more ball control offense, and keep our defense off the field. We have to quit asking our kids to do things they can't do. Just think how good our defense could of been this year, if they were not on the field all game long??



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    Re: I really hope coach PR will make some changes.

    I'm really starting to think the OL is a big component of our issues. Missing KO a lot. KO plus Jeff Woody was always good for 3-4 yards at least.



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