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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    No QB is perfect. I don't know why Steele Jantz is being held up to a perfect standard that no one could achieve. Everyone is going to have a few bad throws. I would take Steeles performance last night every single week.

    For some reason, it seems a lot of people are just waiting for Steele or Barnett to screw up just once so they can play this game of "gotcha!"



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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyatheart View Post
    No QB is perfect. I don't know why Steele Jantz is being held up to a perfect standard that no one could achieve. Everyone is going to have a few bad throws. I would take Steeles performance last night every single week.
    I don't think he's being held up to any kind of perfect standard, just one that says, "If they guy isn't open in the red zone, don't throw it. Worst case we try for 3 points." He did the same thing against Iowa. And where our kicker is far from "Good" you are still throwing points away by throwing to the other team in the Red Zone. "When you are up by 2 touchdowns, don't fumble." I'm sorry, but the guy has a tendency to turn the ball over at the worst possible times. And they are usually bonehead plays that cause the turnover, not some great defensive play.

    He's only being held to the standard that a senior, 2nd year starting QB should be held to. Steele would be a pretty good QB if he could just quit the bonehead mistakes. That and we need to not run the read option so much. The guy just can not make the right read. Some of our best plays last night were just straight up designed runs and I actually love the classic option play so far this year. It seems to work well for us. Something that's never really been the case for ISU.

    That being said, OK, Steele's the guy, stick with him as much as I want better QB play, it isn't going to happen for anyone when there is constantly a QB competition each week instead of working on getting some of these problems solved. We really need to pick a guy and go with him, unless there is a major collapse, this thing is really only hurting us.



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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Quote Originally Posted by mcblogerson View Post
    He won a start vs OU but I'll bet you post a "put Barnett in" thread up after next weeks game.
    So very true. BTW...the INT Steele threw was a terrible pass at a terrible time. Then he followed it up on the next possession with a pass right to another Baylor guy who dropped it luckily. Hit him right in the chest though. Running at the end of the game and fumbling may not have been as big of a deal, but he needs to protect the damn ball when he runs. He has positives, but god he can make you pull your hair out in the blink of an eye.



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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    So very true. BTW...the INT Steele threw was a terrible pass at a terrible time. Then he followed it up on the next possession with a pass right to another Baylor guy who dropped it luckily. Hit him right in the chest though. Running at the end of the game and fumbling may not have been as big of a deal, but he needs to protect the damn ball when he runs. He has positives, but god he can make you pull your hair out in the blink of an eye.
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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

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    Someone had to start it.
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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclonedave25 View Post
    Let's all remember that Baylor has the worst defense in all of FBS football. And I believe the worst defense in 16 years. That's bad.

    That being said, he played great tonight and we shouldn't take that away from him. I just hope he's found somewhat of a connection with his WR's and can keep it rolling against OU. And can we get some hand warmers for Aaron Horne?
    Maybe on paper, but I dont believe they are actually the worst. There are some teams, including some Big 10 teams, who benefit by not having to defend Big 12 offenses.


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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones21 View Post
    Someone had to start it.
    Baylor has the worst defense in the country so it's not exactly fair to evaluate him on this game. I think we would all agree on that. We did see some of the things SJ has always done better than JB (throwing accurately, throwing on time, reading the entire field, checking down to backs, hitting hot routes, extending plays with feet). These things become easier to do when a QB can be comfortable in the pocket, (Baylors pass rush is non existent). He will certianly not be as comfortable next week.



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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyatheart View Post
    No QB is perfect. I don't know why Steele Jantz is being held up to a perfect standard that no one could achieve. Everyone is going to have a few bad throws. I would take Steeles performance last night every single week.

    For some reason, it seems a lot of people are just waiting for Steele or Barnett to screw up just once so they can play this game of "gotcha!"
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    I don't understand why we can't be happy for any of our players when they have a great performance. Steele had one of the best nights by an ISU QB I've ever seen. He made some amazing throws. Yes the INT was a mistake, should have been a TD, but he simply made some plays. He was given time to throw for most o the night, which allowed him to check down to recievers, who were given opportunity to get open. I have felt since the Tech game he took too much heat for what happened there. Did he play poorly, yes. But the line and receivers didn't give him a lot of help. Barnett played great against TCU, but he simply can not throw the ball consistently. If Steele had any help from his buddy Horne last night, his stats would have been huge. And although I am disappointed in Horne, I hope that he has the opportunity to show up next week and have a breakout game.

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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Steele played incredibly well. There were a **** ton of dropped passes early, so you can probably say his completion percentage should have been even higher.

    He certainly earned the starting spot for next week. We'll see what happens then. I liked the idea of getting Barnett in there in the 2nd quarter. It didn't exactly work out for him, but it is good to keep him ready. We'll need him yet this season.



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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Played well, his INT could have easily been TD #6 too. guy was wide open, just underthrew it in that situation. Yes still he had some turnovers but as long as you have more TD's than turnovers (especially a 5:2 ratio) and you aren't turning the ball over more than the other team (Baylor 4, ISU 2) then I'm okay with it. Just can't sit back and expect OU to turn the ball over 4 times though. We still have to play better next week because OU will not make the mistakes Baylor does.


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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    [QUOTE=Erik4Cy;3131418]Played well, his INT could have easily been TD #6 too. guy was wide open, just underthrew it in that situation.

    This is exactly what I though from the stands. I think Jantz saw how open he was and took the zip off the throw, like a lot of Qbs do. It was just one of those plays were the QB sees how open someone is a panics about not overthrowing it. If Jantz had guys that didn't drop so many passes, he would probably throw a sharper pass in that situation.



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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik4Cy View Post
    Played well, his INT could have easily been TD #6 too. guy was wide open, just underthrew it in that situation.

    This is exactly what I though from the stands. I think Jantz saw how open he was and took the zip off the throw, like a lot of Qbs do. It was just one of those plays were the QB sees how open someone is a panics about not overthrowing it. If Jantz had guys that didn't drop so many passes, he would probably throw a sharper pass in that situation.
    He was also overthrowing guys in the non-con by 5 yards. That might have been going through his head too.



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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Yes, although i would be much happier to have that last fumble back.


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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Jantz's performance was a product of good protection from the O-line. When he doesn't have time to throw, the feet start dancing. When the feet start dancing, the Jantz starts running. When the Jantz starts running, the ball gets dropped on the ground.

    Don't not give him time to throw. Protect the Jantz and enjoy the success.


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    Re: Did Steele win his job back?

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Jantz's performance was a product of good protection from the O-line. When he doesn't have time to throw, the feet start dancing. When the feet start dancing, the Jantz starts running. When the Jantz starts running, the ball gets dropped on the ground.

    Don't not give him time to throw. Protect the Jantz and enjoy the success.
    It could be that the BU defense is really just horrible, but the line did a great job of protecting him, even when they sent the house. BTW, that Dixon kid is a stud, and has not played for most of the year, so their defense got a little boost with him. In the TT game it was like the OL didn't liked SJ and were letting guys through on purpose, and a lot of times that was with only 4 guys rushing. Seems like once they only rushed 3 guys and they all got through, that is just sad.



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