Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 33
  1. #1
    Pro
    Points: 60,436, Level: 76
    Level completed: 25%, Points required for next Level: 1,214
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures50000 Experience PointsVeteranSocial
    geburgess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    WDSM, IA
    Posts
    2,382
    Points
    60,436
    Level
    76
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    Why not run the football?

    There's all these threads about horrible QB play, put in Jantz, put in Richardson, call more short passes instead of long passes....

    Why not run the damn ball?

    We have a two speed backs in Shontrelle and Nealy, and power back in Woody. We have two big *** tight ends in Hammerschmidt and Brun. We have a QB that can run in both Jantz and Barnett. Sure, it's not "flashy", but we have a defense that will make stops if they aren't out there every couple minutes, and we are a spread option offense if the system that Herman put in place is still here in some rudimentary form.

    We're 0-8 when we don't rush for 100 yards under Rhoads. Give our defense a chance to rest and try to wear down their defense.


    Keepers of the Faith -- The Unknown



  2. #2
    Speechless
    Points: 558,797, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 9.0%
    Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsOverdriveVeteranRecommendation Second Class
    ISUAgronomist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Back in Iowa!!!!!!!!
    Posts
    21,490
    Points
    558,797
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 334
    Given: 167

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Why not run the damn ball?
    Offensive line says hello.




  3. #3
    Legend
    Points: 222,363, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 18.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    cyclonedave25's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    14,874
    Points
    222,363
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 711
    Given: 332

    Re: Why not run the football?

    It's hard to run the football when our OL can't block.


    When Prepared, Fear No One.

  4. #4
    Addict
    Points: 83,622, Level: 89
    Level completed: 93%, Points required for next Level: 128
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience PointsSocial
    cstrunk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Longview, TX
    Posts
    8,172
    Points
    83,622
    Level
    89
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 47
    Given: 2

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Let me see some I-Formation. Run options, counters, sweeps, and dives. Throw in play-action to keep the defense honest. Run the clock to keep the score low and keep our defense fresh.

    It couldn't be any worse than what we're doing now.



  5. #5
    Pro
    Points: 60,436, Level: 76
    Level completed: 25%, Points required for next Level: 1,214
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures50000 Experience PointsVeteranSocial
    geburgess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    WDSM, IA
    Posts
    2,382
    Points
    60,436
    Level
    76
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUAgronomist View Post
    Offensive line says hello.
    I'll take a run for zero that burns the clock and lets the defense recover over an incompletion, interception, or QB sack.


    Keepers of the Faith -- The Unknown



  6. #6
    Addict
    Points: 128,438, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 10.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    WhatchaGonnaDo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    5,183
    Points
    128,438
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 368
    Given: 216

    Re: Why not run the football?

    The OL sucks donkey dick



  7. #7
    Prospect
    Points: 3,515, Level: 17
    Level completed: 17%, Points required for next Level: 335
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    9
    Points
    3,515
    Level
    17
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Quote Originally Posted by cstrunk View Post
    Let me see some I-Formation. Run options, counters, sweeps, and dives. Throw in play-action to keep the defense honest. Run the clock to keep the score low and keep our defense fresh.

    It couldn't be any worse than what we're doing now.
    I agree, Zone Read is not working. We have no forward momentum. Defenses are making first contact in our backfield. Anyone know our Zone Read stats?


    Last edited by Karltonk1; 10-20-2012 at 04:27 PM.

  8. #8
    Pro
    Points: 35,254, Level: 57
    Level completed: 84%, Points required for next Level: 196
    Overall activity: 8.0%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    istater7's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    2,904
    Points
    35,254
    Level
    57
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 117
    Given: 86

    Re: Why not run the football?

    We need to take a page from our Tech game plan last year..Obviously we need to run the ball to be successful.



  9. #9
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 39,542, Level: 61
    Level completed: 38%, Points required for next Level: 808
    Overall activity: 9.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    WDM
    Posts
    4,154
    Points
    39,542
    Level
    61
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 41
    Given: 35

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Because our o-line and rb's are bad



  10. #10
    Pro
    Points: 60,436, Level: 76
    Level completed: 25%, Points required for next Level: 1,214
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures50000 Experience PointsVeteranSocial
    geburgess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    WDSM, IA
    Posts
    2,382
    Points
    60,436
    Level
    76
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Quote Originally Posted by WhatchaGonnaDo View Post
    The OL sucks donkey dick
    Who cares how bad the OL may be this year. If we are throwing 40+ times and running 20ish times, the defense is gonna sit on the pass all day and we'll be ineffective. Just by attempting to run, we can free up our passing game. Or we can do what we've done today and let them have 2 deep safeties playing the pass basically the whole game. Whether it is effective or not, we have to get back to being more balanced.


    Keepers of the Faith -- The Unknown



  11. #11
    Addict
    Points: 180,981, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 25.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    clonedude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    7,376
    Points
    180,981
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 361
    Given: 0

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Quote Originally Posted by geburgess View Post
    There's all these threads about horrible QB play, put in Jantz, put in Richardson, call more short passes instead of long passes....

    Why not run the damn ball?

    We have a two speed backs in Shontrelle and Nealy, and power back in Woody. We have two big *** tight ends in Hammerschmidt and Brun. We have a QB that can run in both Jantz and Barnett. Sure, it's not "flashy", but we have a defense that will make stops if they aren't out there every couple minutes, and we are a spread option offense if the system that Herman put in place is still here in some rudimentary form.

    We're 0-8 when we don't rush for 100 yards under Rhoads. Give our defense a chance to rest and try to wear down their defense.
    Did you watch the game? We tried to run it and couldn't. Our OL is terrible. That's the problem. We can't run the ball because the OL is terrible.

    Therefore, we are forced to throw it and once again the OL can't pass protect either, and even when they occassionally do, we don't have a QB that can throw it at all.

    We are not in a good situation on offense folks. I said it weeks ago and was hammered for it. Now I think most people see this offense for what it is. It's awful. It's unwatchable.

    But I blame the coaches. They are the ones that get paid big money by ISU to get results. If the players aren't executing, it's their job to get them to. And if they aren't good enough talentwise, then it's also their job to do a better job at getting the talent here.

    This offense has been BAD since Rhoads has been here. Rhoads is a defense guy, and the defense is fine IMO. But both Tom Herman and Mess have been bad at producing any kind of halfway decent offensive numbers under Paul Rhoads. IMHO, they were both bad hires, but I actually thought at the time that Herman was going to be a good hire, it just didn't turn out that way. Mess is a different story. I think we needed to go out and get someone that has proven themself already as an OC at the Div I level.

    But I think drastic measures might now need to be put in place to try to save this season? I don't know what those might be though? Changing QB's has done nothing.



  12. #12
    Pro
    Points: 60,436, Level: 76
    Level completed: 25%, Points required for next Level: 1,214
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures50000 Experience PointsVeteranSocial
    geburgess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    WDSM, IA
    Posts
    2,382
    Points
    60,436
    Level
    76
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Quote Originally Posted by clonedude View Post
    Did you watch the game? We tried to run it and couldn't. Our OL is terrible. That's the problem. We can't run the ball because the OL is terrible.

    Therefore, we are forced to throw it and once again the OL can't pass protect either, and even when they occassionally do, we don't have a QB that can throw it at all.

    We are not in a good situation on offense folks. I said it weeks ago and was hammered for it. Now I think most people see this offense for what it is. It's awful. It's unwatchable.

    But I blame the coaches. They are the ones that get paid big money by ISU to get results. If the players aren't executing, it's their job to get them to. And if they aren't good enough talentwise, then it's also their job to do a better job at getting the talent here.

    This offense has been BAD since Rhoads has been here. Rhoads is a defense guy, and the defense is fine IMO. But both Tom Herman and Mess have been bad at producing any kind of halfway decent offensive numbers under Paul Rhoads. IMHO, they were both bad hires, but I actually thought at the time that Herman was going to be a good hire, it just didn't turn out that way. Mess is a different story. I think we needed to go out and get someone that has proven themself already as an OC at the Div I level.

    But I think drastic measures might now need to be put in place to try to save this season? I don't know what those might be though? Changing QB's has done nothing.
    The drastic measure is a return to the run game. Right now, every defense that lines up against us is playing the pass because we are basically a 2:1 pass-rush ratio right now. Who cares how efficient the run game is, make them respect and play the run and put more than 5 in the box. If we have 4 wide and they are dropping 6 or 7 in coverage, it's no great surprise our pass game is floundering.


    Keepers of the Faith -- The Unknown



  13. #13
    Recruit
    Points: 4,244, Level: 18
    Level completed: 99%, Points required for next Level: 6
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Fairmont, WV
    Posts
    115
    Points
    4,244
    Level
    18
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 3

    Re: Why not run the football?

    We attempted so many passes today because we were down most of the game. Balance would be great but when you don't run effectively and you fall behind by a couple scores you can't waste the clock by running.



  14. #14
    Pro
    Points: 60,436, Level: 76
    Level completed: 25%, Points required for next Level: 1,214
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures50000 Experience PointsVeteranSocial
    geburgess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    WDSM, IA
    Posts
    2,382
    Points
    60,436
    Level
    76
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1
    Given: 0

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Quote Originally Posted by ess108 View Post
    We attempted so many passes today because we were down most of the game. Balance would be great but when you don't run effectively and you fall behind by a couple scores you can't waste the clock by running.
    OSU came out expecting the run on the opening drive. What happened there?

    All of a sudden, we're passing like were Mike Leach and the early 2000's TTech teams and failing, so OSU gets up on us. Unfortunately, we aren't the early 2000's Red Raiders, so we go nowhere.

    I'm not saying we need to run every play, but 22 runs to 47 passes is crazy, no matter how much we are down by. The runs sets up our bootleg action which give us our productive passing game, you can't deny that.


    Keepers of the Faith -- The Unknown



  15. #15
    Speechless
    Points: 876,714, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Album pictures50000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    CycloneErik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Jamerica
    Posts
    57,196
    Points
    876,714
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,632
    Given: 2,127

    Re: Why not run the football?

    Can't block, can't run.


    Since we are an elite team now, let's go get that One Cyclone Moment.
    Make this one for the ages!




    http://rememberingdoria.wordpress.com/

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: FS1
  • FOOTBALL: Iowa State vs. West Virginia
  • November 29, 2014
  • 11:00 AM