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    where is our running game?

    With all the struggles with offense, and when we do have offense it is a long pass play (which im ok with) but where is the running game, what are we doing wrong?



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    Re: where is our running game?

    Gone with the Wind. Hicks and KO.


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    Re: where is our running game?

    Saving it for Saturday.


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    Re: where is our running game?

    I thought in the second half the running game looked pretty good. I'm sure hitting the long passes loosened things up a little. I'm not sure what the half by half splits were, but we finished with 152 yards on the ground and it felt like most came in the 2nd half.



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    Re: where is our running game?

    I was wondering this too. I feel like our offense has a lot of static friction, but very little kinetic friction. It's hard to get going, but when we get going on a drive we go fast... Applies to both passing and running. That's my physics analogy for the year.


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    Re: where is our running game?

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneErik View Post
    Saving it for Saturday.
    which is what i hope. And honestly, i said in the in game thread, it was like they were selling out to stop the run and that's how we got big plays, which im ok with. I think the perfect storm is coming for KSU because now they have to respect the deep pass based off this game, and hopefully the run will open up.

    Am I just wishfully thinking in this?



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    Re: where is our running game?

    bump, we need a run game vs the kitties



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    Re: where is our running game?

    o-line not opening too many holes. this is a must for the k-state game. our running game has to dominate. we only had 13 or 14 first downs today i think


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    Re: where is our running game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    Gone with the Wind. Hicks and KO.
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    Re: where is our running game?

    I don't think Shontrelle is the same back he was before the injury. He looked good against Tulsa, but hasn't looked that impressive since then. Our line is definitely not as good as it was last year, but that's expected when you lose your 2 best offensive linemen


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    Re: where is our running game?

    The O-line is still developing (hopefully) and do not underestimate the loss of KO & Hicks, who were NFL caliber. The staff judges White as a "tougher" runner than Johnson and rightfully so,neither are physically going to pound it and Woody is not 100% yet. The loss of the threat of Woody may be the missing link. If Woody is a threat against KSU it will be a game changer.



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    Re: where is our running game?

    It is definitely a combination of KO and Hicks missing, and defenses stacking the box against the zone read. TT did a great job of manhandling the ISU receivers and not letting them get off the line and bringing up the extra defender to cover the option on the zone read.

    TCU starting the game with the assumption that JB couldn't throw the ball more than 30 yards, or at least it looked that way. The running game improved some in the second half after TCU backed off a little, but it still was pretty inconsistent. I do like some of the multiple back sets, just because they give the defense something to think about.



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    Re: where is our running game?

    Zone Read left/Zone Read right has turned into Option Left/Option Right.

    We have to pass more out of this formation to get the LB's feel like they need to back into coverage. Instead, they KNOW we are going to run it and they are simply playing assignment football. ANY fundamentally sound defense will take the Zone Read away. And, with more and more teams running this offense defenses see it more and can defend it better.

    I would love, LOVE, to see us line up in an offset I or pro-set on occasion. I liked the idea of going deep early in the game AND actually hitting the receiver in stried (Lentz) as opposed to over throwing a wide open receiver by 10 yards.


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    Re: where is our running game?

    I think its apparent that Jantz was a bit of the problem with the run game vs TTU as he didn't dish out the zone read enough. As for yesterday, it seems to me that White and Shontrelle at least were pretty consistent in getting 3-4 yard carries.....just didn't break off the long runs. And don't forget the sweep with Horne that went for about 30 yards.

    With Barnett behind center i think things will obviously improve, and as Mess continues to integrate more gadget plays and WR runs the numbers should improve by seasons end.



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    Re: where is our running game?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrindingAway View Post
    I thought in the second half the running game looked pretty good. I'm sure hitting the long passes loosened things up a little. I'm not sure what the half by half splits were, but we finished with 152 yards on the ground and it felt like most came in the 2nd half.
    Yeah, I thought we do not do bad in the second half, 152 yrds against that defense is not bad. We need to improve trust me I am on board with that. The running play that got me was, the Aaron Horn around the edge for 25, why was that not Nealy, Johnson, or white???? What was Horn doing in the backfield???? I know it adds a fluke aspect to it but, I want our RB to plug more yrds in.....



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