Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 69
  1. #1
    Facebook Knows All
    Points: 305,906, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 17.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    cycloneworld's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NE Oklahoma
    Posts
    19,432
    Points
    305,906
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,754
    Given: 1,671

    Running the Read-Option

    With all of the debate about Jantz and Barnett, something that gets overlooked are the actual stats on running the read-option.

    Jantz has 53 rushing attempts already...he is averaging 1.5 ypc. He averaged 2.6 on 84 carries last year. As others have mentioned, it's like we are hell bent on fitting that square peg into a round hole. In comparison, Shontrelle Johnson has 42 caries and James White has 37.

    Barnett on the other hand...had 104 attempts for 437 yards for 4.2 ypc last year. All against Big 12 teams.

    It seems if the staff really wants to run the read-option as much as handing it off to the backs, then Barnett should be the guy...especially if Rhoads told Mess to run the ball more this year. If Jantz is the guy, why don't we modify our offense a little and play to his strengths??



  2. #2
    Addict
    Points: 140,236, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 7.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    oldman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    5,486
    Points
    140,236
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 637
    Given: 1,952

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    The question I have, is how many of those rushing attempts were Jantz being sacked.


    "Just remember, what you choose to do with each day is very important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it" -ET

    "I'm trying not to sweat the small stuff in my life, but there is a definite learning curve." -CE

  3. #3
    Addict
    Points: 84,900, Level: 90
    Level completed: 64%, Points required for next Level: 650
    Overall activity: 13.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    erikbj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    hiawatha, ia
    Posts
    6,807
    Points
    84,900
    Level
    90
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 889
    Given: 260

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    The question I have, is how many of those rushing attempts were Jantz being sacked.
    sacks are negative yard plays still? Maybe since JB doesn't get sacked as often should be taken into consideration.

    There is only 1 stat that matters..........the W/L records. JB is 3-3 in Big12 play and SJ is 0-5!!!!



  4. #4
    Facebook Knows All
    Points: 305,906, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 17.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    cycloneworld's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NE Oklahoma
    Posts
    19,432
    Points
    305,906
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,754
    Given: 1,671

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    The question I have, is how many of those rushing attempts were Jantz being sacked.
    They played roughly the same number of games last year so sacks are also accounted for in Barnett's rushing numbers...those comparisons should be pretty close to apples to apples.

    Also, Barnett's numbers are against Big 12 teams while Jantz had the luxury of playing 6 OOC teams.



  5. #5
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 45,368, Level: 65
    Level completed: 86%, Points required for next Level: 182
    Overall activity: 19.0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album picturesVeteran25000 Experience Points
    ThatllDoCy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    4,889
    Points
    45,368
    Level
    65
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 753
    Given: 985

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    It's puzzling. That is for sure. Jantz can make all of the throws, and Barnett runs the Offense better. I hope Barnett gets a shot next game whether or not Jantz struggles. Honestly, I don't see why Richardson doesn't get a shot. If our Offense continues how it is we may not sniff another win. Which is a tragedy for our D.


    “Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun.”
    Alan Wilson Watts

  6. #6
    Addict
    Points: 140,236, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 7.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    oldman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    5,486
    Points
    140,236
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 637
    Given: 1,952

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    I was asking about sacks due to the comparison with the running backs, not Barnett.


    "Just remember, what you choose to do with each day is very important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it" -ET

    "I'm trying not to sweat the small stuff in my life, but there is a definite learning curve." -CE

  7. #7
    Facebook Knows All
    Points: 305,906, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 17.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    cycloneworld's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NE Oklahoma
    Posts
    19,432
    Points
    305,906
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,754
    Given: 1,671

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    Quote Originally Posted by oldman View Post
    I was asking about sacks due to the comparison with the running backs, not Barnett.
    Gotcha. ISU QBs have been sacked 8 times this year...not sure if Barnett or Richardson had any in the WIU game.



  8. #8
    Addict
    Points: 140,236, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 7.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    oldman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    5,486
    Points
    140,236
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 637
    Given: 1,952

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneworld View Post
    Gotcha. ISU QBs have been sacked 8 times this year...not sure if Barnett or Richardson had any in the WIU game.
    I do think that Jantz should be handing the ball off to the RBs more.


    "Just remember, what you choose to do with each day is very important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it" -ET

    "I'm trying not to sweat the small stuff in my life, but there is a definite learning curve." -CE

  9. #9
    Speechless
    Points: 325,070, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 45.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    chuckd4735's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    19,568
    Points
    325,070
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,840
    Given: 775

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    I agree. Either ISU wants to run their offense with the zone-read, or they want to run their offense to the strengths of their personal. If it the zone-read they want, then put in the players who are best at it.

    Go back to CPR's interview when Jantz was chosen...he was chosen because his arm-strength and accuracy was better.



  10. #10
    Pro
    Points: 36,159, Level: 58
    Level completed: 60%, Points required for next Level: 491
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    ISpyCy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Harlan, IA/Lincoln, NE
    Posts
    2,552
    Points
    36,159
    Level
    58
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 174
    Given: 65

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    It has been said that Jantz throws the better deep ball...problem is that we don't have anybody to really consider a "deep threat" reciever. Is it really necessary to keep him in the game if his one advantage in the QB battle is something we don't really need? If we want to be calling zone reads on every opportunity, doesn't it make more sense to put the QB in that knows it like the back of his hand?

    Jantz has won his three games for the year...isn't it time for Barnett to win his three?




    Cyclones | Vikings | Royals | Red Wings

  11. #11
    Pro
    Points: 62,036, Level: 77
    Level completed: 25%, Points required for next Level: 1,214
    Overall activity: 8.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    2,346
    Points
    62,036
    Level
    77
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 284
    Given: 151

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    I mentioned this in another thread. In the first 3 games this season, we've been very balanced on O, with the number of run attempts and pass attempts within 5 plays of each other. For TT, we had 38 rush attempts (a significant number form the read option) versus 20 pass attempts. I'm assuming that Mess saw what we did to Tech last year, and ground himself into that gameplan. Hopefully he can learn from that and get back to a balanced attack this week against TCU.



  12. #12
    Hall-Of-Famer
    Points: 71,231, Level: 82
    Level completed: 88%, Points required for next Level: 219
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    Social50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Tailg8er's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Johnston
    Posts
    3,730
    Points
    71,231
    Level
    82
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 596
    Given: 2,159

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    Quote Originally Posted by erikbj View Post
    sacks are negative yard plays still? Maybe since JB doesn't get sacked as often should be taken into consideration.

    There is only 1 stat that matters..........the W/L records. JB is 3-3 in Big12 play and SJ is 0-5!!!!
    That is HARDLY the only stat that matters. The QB is a huge part of the game, but far from the only part.

    Excuse me for trusting CPR & Mess over you..



  13. #13
    Legend
    Points: 212,135, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 51.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsOverdriveVeteranSocial
    State43's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Omaha, NE
    Posts
    13,729
    Points
    212,135
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,436
    Given: 746

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    I just think The OLine needs to block long enough to give some confidence to Jantz. He isn't Seneca who can thrive on constant pressure.



  14. #14
    Speechless
    Points: 325,070, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 45.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    chuckd4735's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    19,568
    Points
    325,070
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,840
    Given: 775

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    Quote Originally Posted by State43 View Post
    I just think The OLine needs to block long enough to give some confidence to Jantz. He isn't Seneca who can thrive on constant pressure.
    Watching the replay, I don't think the o-line did that bad of a job...they could of done better, but the bigger problem was the receivers not getting open or being physical. O-line can only hold blocks for so long...



  15. #15
    Speechless
    Points: 325,070, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 45.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience Points
    chuckd4735's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    19,568
    Points
    325,070
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 3,840
    Given: 775

    Re: Running the Read-Option

    Quote Originally Posted by nhclone View Post
    I mentioned this in another thread. In the first 3 games this season, we've been very balanced on O, with the number of run attempts and pass attempts within 5 plays of each other. For TT, we had 38 rush attempts (a significant number form the read option) versus 20 pass attempts. I'm assuming that Mess saw what we did to Tech last year, and ground himself into that gameplan. Hopefully he can learn from that and get back to a balanced attack this week against TCU.
    I agree with this 100%. 20 pass attempts against Tech when ISU was averaging near 40 per game in our first 3. Game plan and play calling was bad. If it continues, then Ill be worried, but based on the first 3 games, I dont expect that.



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: ESPN
  • HOOPS: Iowa State vs. Texas
  • February 13, 2016
  • 07:30 PM