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    AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    I'm interested to see what people think on this - both fans and the actual voters. What do you think?



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Trout is a nice story and he's a good player but anyone with a shred of baseball knowledge knows this is Cabrera's award. Without argument. If you don't win the MVP but you have the triple crown - IN THE AL OF ALL LEAGUES - then you are getting a first class hosing.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Well I doubt you'll find any actual voters on here but I'm torn on this. On the one hand Trout is clearly the better overall player but on the other I don't think I could not vote for someone who won the triple crown for the first time in over 30 years. So I guess I'm on team Cabrera even though I know the stats don't back me up.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    I'd have to go with Cabrera.

    Some talking head was saying "Cabrera is doing something that hasn't been done in 45 years, but Trout is doing something that has never been done by a rookie. That's why you have to go with Trout".

    To me, that doesn't make sense. By that logic, then Trout should be the AL ROY (which he will be) and Cabrera should be the MVP since he actually led his team to the playoffs.


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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by kberyldial View Post
    Trout is a nice story and he's a good player but anyone with a shred of baseball knowledge knows this is Cabrera's award. Without argument. If you don't win the MVP but you have the triple crown - IN THE AL OF ALL LEAGUES - then you are getting a first class hosing.
    Ted Williams won the Triple Crown twice and didn't get the MVP either time. The Triple Crown is cool achievement, but I don't think it should equal automatic MVP.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Adrian Beltre, Billy Butler and Alex Rios have comparable stats to Trout. Trout is great. But he is also benefiting hugely from the media effect here.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by shagcarpetjesus View Post
    Ted Williams won the Triple Crown twice and didn't get the MVP either time. The Triple Crown is cool achievement, but I don't think it should equal automatic MVP.
    Both times to a Yankee. Hmmmm.....



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by kberyldial View Post
    Adrian Beltre, Billy Butler and Alex Rios have comparable stats to Trout. Trout is great. But he is also benefiting hugely from the media effect here.
    So Rios has .20 lower BA, 5 less HR's, 26 less stolen bases, .63 lower OBP, 36 less runs in 50 more AB's and the stats are comparable?



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by shagcarpetjesus View Post
    Ted Williams won the Triple Crown twice and didn't get the MVP either time. The Triple Crown is cool achievement, but I don't think it should equal automatic MVP.
    Most MVPs are on a playoff team. Trout's not and Williams wasn't when he lost either. We had one of the best collegiate running backs ever in Davis. A winning season and he has a Heisman. Play at Ohio State, ND, etc. he wins 2 without a challenger.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by kberyldial View Post
    Most MVPs are on a playoff team. Trout's not and Williams wasn't when he lost either. We had one of the best collegiate running backs ever in Davis. A winning season and he has a Heisman. Play at Ohio State, ND, etc. he wins 2 without a challenger.
    Trout's team has a better record than Cabrera's despite playing in a much tougher division.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by kberyldial View Post
    Most MVPs are on a playoff team. Trout's not and Williams wasn't when he lost either. We had one of the best collegiate running backs ever in Davis. A winning season and he has a Heisman. Play at Ohio State, ND, etc. he wins 2 without a challenger.
    You realize the Angels won more games than the Tigers right? I'm on Team Cabrera but that's a terrible argument.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    So Rios has .20 lower BA, 5 less HR's, 26 less stolen bases, .63 lower OBP, 36 less runs in 50 more AB's and the stats are comparable?
    Stolen bases is the only stat that is not comparable.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Miguel Cabrera - .331/.394/.608 44 HR, 139 RBI, 109 runs - 167 OPS+, 6.9 WAR
    Mike Trout - .324/.397/.561 30 HR, 83 RBI, 129 runs - 169 OPS+, 10.7 WAR (49 SB, 4 CS)

    I don't think Trout should get penalized because his counting stats aren't on the same level as Cabrera. First, Trout didn't even get called up until April 28. That's nearly 1 month of games he missed at the beginning of the season. Second, he bats leadoff so he's obviously not going to rack up huge RBI numbers. His slash numbers are very comparable to Cabrera and when you add in the fact he's an elite defender in CF and maybe the best baserunner in MLB I don't think it's ridiculous to think that he's deserving of consideration for the MVP.

    And for those who want to play the playoffs card, keep in mind the Angels have a better record than the Tigers. Not to mention the Angels were 6-14 prior to Trout's promotion and 81-56 since. I'm not entirely certain that I'd punch the ticket for Trout if I had a vote, but I love the debate that this is going to spark.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    So Rios has .20 lower BA, 5 less HR's, 26 less stolen bases, .63 lower OBP, 36 less runs in 50 more AB's and the stats are comparable?
    More games played - more at bats - fewer k's - more RBI's - more doubles. Most people with an opinion on this topic couldn't tell me where Rios plays. I acknowledged Trout's numbers are good. Cool story bro - is that how it goes? Trout packs his bags after tonight. The MVP plays on.



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    Re: AL MVP - Cabrera or Trout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    You realize the Angels won more games than the Tigers right? I'm on Team Cabrera but that's a terrible argument.
    I'm responding to the person that said Williams won triple twice but didn't get the MVP and as to why. I'm not arguing that's the reason Cabrera deserves it.


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