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    .500 Football

    That is what we can expect under Rhoads, IMO. I can probably live with that. Those of us who are in their 30's and beyond have endured a lot worse, that's for sure.

    I've watched quite a little B12 football in the last two weeks, and offensively the talent gap between most of the rest of the conference and ourselves is almost as wide as the defensive talent gap used to be in the 90's.

    CPR has built a team that sort of resembles Iowa, in that we have a pretty good D, and struggle for the most part on O. That may get it done in the B1G, but 6-6 is pretty much the top of the range when you're playing 9 B12 teams every year + Iowa.

    Looking at this year's class, you can see that we're not closing the gap any time soon.

    At least Wally has been able to assemble a pretty salty D that overachieves and can keep us from betting beat like a drum ala the 80's/90's and the end of the Mac regime.

    Where do we go from here? Any suggestions? Maybe you try to remold yourself into a physical, B1G type offense that uses a lot of fullback sets and runs between the tackles. Sort of the opposite of the old "gimmick" offenses that passed all the time when defenses were built to stop the run game. I'm not sure that's the answer because the B12 O's will put so much pressure on your D, that eventually you're going to give up some plays.

    I'm just not seeing how we can score enough to win more than 3 B12 games this year and beyond.



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    Re: .500 Football

    I say ditch the spread to start with. We don't have the fire power for it and just running out of the spread is not really working great for us.



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    Re: .500 Football

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUKyro View Post
    I say ditch the spread to start with. We don't have the fire power for it and just running out of the spread is not really working great for us.
    I'm probably with you. We're always going to struggle to find explosive WR's that you seem to need to keep up in B12 shoot outs.

    Maybe just go big and try to become an Iowa or poor man's version of Wisconsin. Try to run over people and eat up clock. That and a good D can keep people in the 20-25 range maybe



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    Re: .500 Football

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUKyro View Post
    I say ditch the spread to start with. We don't have the fire power for it and just running out of the spread is not really working great for us.
    The problem with that is that we've been recruiting to that offense for 4 years now. How much do we set things back to restart the offense from scratch? After last night it seems like starting from scratch wouldn't be a huge difference, but who really knows.



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    Re: .500 Football

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    I'm probably with you. We're always going to struggle to find explosive WR's that you seem to need to keep up in B12 shoot outs.

    Maybe just go big and try to become an Iowa or poor man's version of Wisconsin. Try to run over people and eat up clock. That and a good D can keep people in the 20-25 range maybe

    WR? WR hell we have good enough receivers now (not when we started the spread, these guys can at least this crop can catch a ball) but to run spread system you need a really competent QB, not necessarily a bomber arm but very quick thinker and a mind for assessing situations. QB is what make spread run.

    I hate to say it, but I was an Arnaud fan only because of his leadership and ability to take hits, but I couldnt wait to get a qb that could throw over 61% but he would be a better fit in our system right now than what we have.

    .500 I could live with, stress LIVE with. Ive seen some terrible crap in my time.


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    Re: .500 Football

    Spread/pro set/wishbone, it doesn't matter what it looks like.

    It all boils down to slowing down the other teams and not letting them run 85 or 90 plays and put 45 points on the board.

    Iowa State's offense must be about ball control and absolutely limiting (eliminating) mistakes. If ISU can be + in turnovers and + in TOP, that will be the recipe for success.

    Trying to emulate WVa or OSU and run a bunch of plays and win games 52-45 will colossal disaster.



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    Re: .500 Football

    For reference, Big XII wins under CPR, notice a trend?

    Baylor________10 points allowed, +2 turnovers, +12:06 TOP
    Nebraska________________7 PA, +8 turnovers, +7:20 TOP
    Colorado________________10 PA, +1 turnover, +1:18 TOP
    Texas Tech_____________38 PA, +3 turnovers, +7:52 TOP
    Texas__________________21 PA, +3 turnovers, +4:53 TOP
    Kansas_________________16 PA, even turnovers, -9:06 TOP
    Texas Tech______________7 PA, +2 turnovers, +20:10 TOP
    Kansas_________________17 PA, +2 turnovers, +1:36 TOP
    Oklahoma State_____(24 reg PA), +2 turnovers, +10:26 TOP



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    Re: .500 Football

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUKyro View Post
    I say ditch the spread to start with. We don't have the fire power for it and just running out of the spread is not really working great for us.
    You could be right that if you can never recruit players that fit the spread offense just go to the pro set offense and hope for the best ...

    What we're doing now sure isnt working and may never work without the right personnel...



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    Re: .500 Football

    It's frustrating, who knows what the answer is on offense. Obviously talent makes a lot of schemes better, but there are teams who don't get the best talent and still have prolific offenses. I'm hoping our defense will be the bedrock for the years going forward, and that there will be years our offense does come together and we can rise up from time to time.

    Having a very good defense year in and year out is a great platform to build from, and if that keeps happening we will progress at some point.

    To me the first step is eliminating the turnovers, we have a good defense and a good punter. With sudden change, you really eliminate your punter and put a lot more pressure on the defense.

    Second is focusing on the offensive line and shoring up pass protection and run blocking.

    Reducing turnovers and controlling the line, do those 2 things with our defense and we're a good team. Easier said than done of course.


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    Re: .500 Football

    Quote Originally Posted by FDWxMan View Post
    For reference, Big XII wins under CPR, notice a trend?

    Baylor_______+10 points allowed, +2 turnovers, +12:06 TOP
    Nebraska________________7 PA, +8 turnovers, +7:20 TOP
    Colorado________________10 PA, +1 turnover, +1:18 TOP
    Texas Tech_____________38 PA, +3 turnovers, +7:52 TOP
    Texas__________________21 PA, +3 turnovers, +4:53 TOP
    Kansas_________________16 PA, even turnovers, -9:06 TOP
    Texas Tech______________7 PA, +2 turnovers, +20:10 TOP
    Kansas_________________17 PA, +2 turnovers, +1:36 TOP
    Oklahoma State_____(24 reg PA), +2 turnovers, +10:26 TOP
    Trend, no. Commonalities, yes.



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    Re: .500 Football

    The O line is what worries me. I realize we lost KO and Hicks, but you lose guys every year. Should not be this bad in year 4.



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    Re: .500 Football

    The other thing we need to remember that a 6 win season is pretty much like a 7 win season for us a couple years ago for the SEC and BIG10. If we would have played Toledo this week we would be 4-0 with our conference opener next week



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    Re: .500 Football

    Move to the wishbone. Would confuse the heck out of everyone. :-)



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    Re: .500 Football

    Personally I hate the zone read mostly because we are terrible at it. I would like the spread, but it does not work in Ames, Ia like it does in Texas. We should be more smash mouth football and being consistent and owning time of possession. Limiting turnovers and keeping our D off the field more. Fans love to see points, but fans would prefer w's.



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    Re: .500 Football

    Quote Originally Posted by acoustimac View Post
    Move to the wishbone. Would confuse the heck out of everyone. :-)
    I vote for the single wing.



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