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    Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Mess had better watch other big 12 teams and realize that consistent zone read and McCarney-est delayed handoffs up the middle will get you nowhere. What happened to 'jet' offense that kept momentum going? You were killing yourself with failed run - failed run - 3rd and long that took 20 seconds to snap each time. Pathetic.

    Also McCarney-est efforts. How about having the ball at mid field just before half with 1 min plus and running out the clock to get to halftime. That type of effort shows a major lack of offensive desire. Rhoads never used to do that, he used to play until 0:00!



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    We went back to the check to the side line crap we did last year. Stupid.

    Offense was a mess and Jantz just isnt a leader. He never has been. Time to move on.


    Quote Originally Posted by Let's Go State View Post
    Mess had better watch other big 12 teams and realize that consistent zone read and McCarney-est delayed handoffs up the middle will get you nowhere. What happened to 'jet' offense that kept momentum going? You were killing yourself with failed run - failed run - 3rd and long that took 20 seconds to snap ch time. Pathetic.

    Also McCarney-est efforts. How about having the ball at mid field just before half with 1 min plus and running out the clock to get to halftime. That type of effort shows a major lack of offensive desire. Rhoads never used to do that, he used to play until 0:00!



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Can't remember what Walters said.. We only ran 48 plays, I think.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by MaccloNe View Post
    Can't remember what Walters said.. We only ran 48 plays, I think.
    Jantz had as many carries as all the RB's combined, although that number includes sacks and what not. Still not good. You need to give your RB's more than 19 carries in a game.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by Let's Go State View Post
    Mess had better watch other big 12 teams and realize that consistent zone read and McCarney-est delayed handoffs up the middle will get you nowhere. What happened to 'jet' offense that kept momentum going? You were killing yourself with failed run - failed run - 3rd and long that took 20 seconds to snap each time. Pathetic.

    Also McCarney-est efforts. How about having the ball at mid field just before half with 1 min plus and running out the clock to get to halftime. That type of effort shows a major lack of offensive desire. Rhoads never used to do that, he used to play until 0:00!
    Running a "tempo" that will help allow teams like Baylor/Wva/OSU accomplish their goals of running 90 plays a game won't help a single damn thing. It will make things worse.

    Here and there, ok, if the situation calls for it and the defense isn't completely gassed like tonight.

    But if you've watched ISU football, ever, you should be able to realize that ISU desperately needs to win TOP and win it significantly.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by MaccloNe View Post
    Can't remember what Walters said.. We only ran 48 plays, I think.

    Lots of back and forth in many threads tonight. Pull the QB etc... O Line sucks etc. Skill people no good. Here's my problem. What the hell is our offensive identity? Are we trying to be like the other spread teams out there? If so, it ain't working. This so-called system has been in place for 3 plus years and I can't see what it's trying to do. No change from Herman to Mess. Same ineptitude. Many want to see JB, but that's just because he's marginally OK with the zone read. If we're commited to a pure spread system, then we should go with JB because he can somewhat resemble a spread quarterback. Steele just can't.

    If we're staying with Steele, time to take a page from Old Man Snyder's book. Mold the scheme to the players you have. That means no more zone read. Max protect pocket stuff. Two backs. Old school I. Even then, if SJ can't take care of the football, you have to sit him down.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    What happened to "taking what the opponent gives us" In the second half they were loading the box and on several first downs they had both safeties up at the line and we just ran it right at them. If a defense is loading the box, how is running it up the middle "taking what they give us?" And, what happened to the WR screen, did we even run one all game? I missed a few plays while getting drinks, but jebus, those were our bread and butter the first 3 games and we just completely abandoned them?

    Messingham was a disaster calling plays tonight. It's like we completely changed playbooks because we had a bye-week. 100% of this loss is on Messingham. Hopefully they'll be back in the film room tomorrow, or tonight even, trying to figure out wtf they were doing and how to fix it for TCU.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Is Steele capable of a quick release? Can he make them pay for loading the box? I'm not sure he can.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by Let's Go State View Post
    Mess had better watch other big 12 teams and realize that consistent zone read and McCarney-est delayed handoffs up the middle will get you nowhere. What happened to 'jet' offense that kept momentum going? You were killing yourself with failed run - failed run - 3rd and long that took 20 seconds to snap each time. Pathetic.

    Also McCarney-est efforts. How about having the ball at mid field just before half with 1 min plus and running out the clock to get to halftime. That type of effort shows a major lack of offensive desire. Rhoads never used to do that, he used to play until 0:00!
    I'm only responding to the bolded points in your post, because they are the part that aren't stupid. I agree, Mess should watch other B12 teams. You are absolutely right.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by synapticwave View Post
    What happened to "taking what the opponent gives us" In the second half they were loading the box and on several first downs they had both safeties up at the line and we just ran it right at them. If a defense is loading the box, how is running it up the middle "taking what they give us?" And, what happened to the WR screen, did we even run one all game? I missed a few plays while getting drinks, but jebus, those were our bread and butter the first 3 games and we just completely abandoned them?

    Messingham was a disaster calling plays tonight. It's like we completely changed playbooks because we had a bye-week. 100% of this loss is on Messingham. Hopefully they'll be back in the film room tomorrow, or tonight even, trying to figure out wtf they were doing and how to fix it for TCU.
    For chrissakes, I'm one of the FEW on this boardthat wanted Herman to stay, but this loss is not 100% on Messingham!



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    We were trying to run clock and limit Tech's possessions. When we can move the ball doing that, like we did aginst oSu, it is a great strategy and gives us the best chance to win against the high-powered offenses of the Big 12. If we had put together even just one more drive like the one touchdown drive, we probably would have won. But tonight, outside of that one drive, everything to do with the offense was a miserable failure. The scoreboard would have been a lot worse if we tried to act like we're WVU or Baylor.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by norcalcy View Post
    Is Steele capable of a quick release? Can he make them pay for loading the box? I'm not sure he can.
    Agree



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by gwoodclone View Post
    We were trying to run clock and limit Tech's possessions. When we can move the ball doing that, like we did aginst oSu, it is a great strategy and gives us the best chance to win against the high-powered offenses of the Big 12. If we had put together even just one more drive like the one touchdown drive, we probably would have won. But tonight, outside of that one drive, everything to do with the offense was a miserable failure. The scoreboard would have been a lot worse if we tried to act like we're WVU or Baylor.
    Absolutely true. We could have taken control of the game after the AJK pick six. Just couldn't do it. For those calling posters idiots for suggesting SJ might be pulled, even Walters and Heft were speculating about it right before half.



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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    Quote Originally Posted by gwoodclone View Post
    We were trying to run clock and limit Tech's possessions. When we can move the ball doing that, like we did aginst oSu, it is a great strategy and gives us the best chance to win against the high-powered offenses of the Big 12. If we had put together even just one more drive like the one touchdown drive, we probably would have won. But tonight, outside of that one drive, everything to do with the offense was a miserable failure. The scoreboard would have been a lot worse if we tried to act like we're WVU or Baylor.
    Running the clock is great if your getting first downs, but we were not. it also slow the tempo of the game and keeps your line in a stance of too long. The only reason to not push the offense faster is that jangling will probably tun the ball over more and that is a QB problem.

    the other problem with this.... Are we playing to limit techs points or are we playing to win.


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    Re: Play calling and offensive tempo lost the game..

    This offense is as dry as Mess and Steele's personalities (that’s solely based off their interviews). I personally would like to never see #2 on the field ever again. His foolish turnovers alone are enough to give either JB or Richardson the reigns. It's too bad we won't see Mess tossed after the season as I believe CPR and him are good buddies.



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