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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    Correct, but creating the opportunity is as much to do with coaching as it does luck/flukes.
    Of course, but we are not talking about creating opportunities for TO's, but actual TO's. Even then, just as many TO's have very little to do with the defense, as it does the offense.



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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Any undefeated Big 12 team at the end of the year will be playing in the NCS. It doesn't matter who it is. I disagree with your analysis.
    I think that was my logic, that OU had the best shot at undefeated. Which team do you see staying undefeated?



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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by GoClones123 View Post
    I took away something a little different. In the BIGXII you cannot have a sloppy offensive effort or you will get beaten. OU put out a pretty good Defensive effort, however that only keeps you in a game, the Offense has to win it by scoring points. Also QB play is CRITICAL in games, this game was a micro-chasm of what wins and what loses games in College football. This should worry all teams that have so-so QB play and I believe we fall into that category.
    This^^.

    Landry sucked. Bell has ONE JOB and he jacked it up.

    Klein plays solid, smart football. If our QB's ever learn to quit being turnover machines, our defense is good enough for a nine win season.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Any undefeated Big 12 team at the end of the year will be playing in the NCS. It doesn't matter who it is. I disagree with your analysis.
    I disagree.

    If it was Iowa State this year, then we would not end up in the title game.

    If we end up in the top 25 at the end of a couple seasons in a row, then maybe after that, but not now.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedredbird View Post
    I think that was my logic, that OU had the best shot at undefeated. Which team do you see staying undefeated?
    None of them. What I learned from this game is that the Big 12 is tough top to bottom but there doesn't appear to be one standout team. It's a wide open race for the conference championship. I like what KSU did, but they're living dangerously with all of these close games, and sooner or later they'll lose one or two of them.



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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by HFCS View Post
    I don't know that it's that far away. We've played them close for 16 quarters in a row and they haven't played in Ames for five years. Not saying we're a better team or program, but they haven't convincingly beat us in forever despite never having to play road games against us.

    I still think there will be an astroid hitting Jack Trice or something to cancel this KSU game at JT.

    If it's a big enough astroid, it wouldn't actually have to score a direct hit on JTS.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    What I saw in the game was KSU controlling the LOS almost all of the time. To beat KSU, you have to start fast, noting that they did nothing the first 3 times they had the ball and then scored on defense. They will be in trouble if they don't score the first three possessions and the other team does. KSU offense is not designed to come from behind very quickly. KSU on defense does not give up big plays and makes you have long drives to score. I see this from ISU defense most of the time as well. OU was turn over prone this game and it will take that if we want to beat them this year. KSU also has a good RB who runs with power but never gets a direct hit. If we want to beat KSU, we will have to get ahead then keep that lead, forcing them to do things they don't want to do.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by TykeClone View Post
    I disagree.

    If it was Iowa State this year, then we would not end up in the title game.

    If we end up in the top 25 at the end of a couple seasons in a row, then maybe after that, but not now.
    If we end up undefeated this year, we'll be in the national title game. Our strength of schedule would pave the way for us.

    Also, excluding us would be unprecedented. They have never excluded an undefeated Super Bowl champion from the BCS title game. Our Super Bowl victory finishes off our resume.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by TykeClone View Post
    I disagree.

    If it was Iowa State this year, then we would not end up in the title game.

    If we end up in the top 25 at the end of a couple seasons in a row, then maybe after that, but not now.
    Who do you have running the table other than us in the hypothetical scenario? We would absolutely be considered no matter what and would almost certainly be in the National Championship. Especially since it is likely that nobody goes undefeated this year.



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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by TykeClone View Post
    I disagree.

    If it was Iowa State this year, then we would not end up in the title game.

    If we end up in the top 25 at the end of a couple seasons in a row, then maybe after that, but not now.
    ********. If we go undefeated we are in the title game. The computers would like have us ranked #1 and there is no way an undefeated B12 team is getting kept out for a one loss SEC team who would likely be a rematch.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Oklahoma
    - Landry Jones is overrated
    -Run defense is suspect
    Kansas State
    -Run game is solid
    -Colin Klein only connects on the flukiest pass plays
    -Defense is very stout and opportunistic
    -Bill Snyder is doing his best Shaman witch doctor impression



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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    I am terrified by OU's JET offense. They go faster than anyone but Oregon when they are in that mode. Holy crap.



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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by isuno1fan View Post
    Turnovers are part of the game. Coaches coach players how to strip balls and to be in position defensively to capitalize. They aren't flukes. They happen because they are well coached. I hate when people say "if it weren't for the turnovers Team A would have won".
    Unless you're KSu's offense.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    I've learned the following from this thread:

    1. The OP thinks Synder is a woman as a male witch is called a warlock.
    2. If the OP still thinks Synder as a man is a warlock, this is a good thing. Charlie Sheen is a self professed winning warlock. This can only be a good thing for ISU.
    3. Cyclone Fanatic may be the only FB BB in America where fellow posters will correct the grammar of other posters, proving that ISU does in fact offer a quality education.
    4. ALL ISU players, especially QB's and RB's knew that coach Rhoads would be showing them this tape on Monday if not "sooner" to show that losing the TO battle will make the season go "boomer".
    5. I can't believe I'm correcting the OP about witchcraft grammar. Where has my life gone? That probably isn't a good thing that ISU fans know about that, even if they are educated.


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    Re: What we should have learned from KSU - OU

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhoadhoused View Post
    I am terrified by OU's JET offense. They go faster than anyone but Oregon when they are in that mode. Holy crap.
    The problem with the Jet offense is if you miss on a possession you are off the field in 30 seconds. Unfortunately the Clones have not slowed the OU Jet down yet. It isn't the speed, it is stopping the other team. It gets bad when they get down field in 5 plays in 1 minute, but if you stop them in 3 they are on the sideline waiting to get in.



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