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    The "Jantz Dance"

    I wanted to see how Jantz was performing as compared to last year regarding his turnovers. Here's what I came up with...thoughts and questions are welcome.

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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Any thoughts on why Jantz always loses his fumbles and why Barnett's fumbles seem to be recovered at such a high rate?


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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneG View Post
    Any thoughts on why Jantz always loses his fumbles and why Barnett's fumbles seem to be recovered at such a high rate?

    I seem to remember Barnett having more fumbles related to the zone read handoff, but I could be wrong.

    So if that is the case, my guess is that Jantz loses his more often because it's usually when he is trying to make a play with his feet so he's on the run and it's harder know where the ball is once it gets knocked out. But if Barnett loses most of his fumbles on the handoff, he is more likely to know exactly where the ball is so he can jump on it.



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneG View Post
    Any thoughts on why Jantz always loses his fumbles and why Barnett's fumbles seem to be recovered at such a high rate?
    One of our players lands on Barnett's fumbles while a player from the other team lands on Jantz fumbles?

    Good to see his TO % has gone down. Still needs to go down some more. Good news is though, despite his 5 turnovers thru 3 games, they aren't the mental brain farts they were last year. Out of his 4 INT's, I can say that only 1 was a poor decision trying to force a ball he shouldn't.



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by cycloneG View Post
    Any thoughts on why Jantz always loses his fumbles and why Barnett's fumbles seem to be recovered at such a high rate?
    Barnett is lucky enough to have fumble out-of-bounds several times.




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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    One of our players lands on Barnett's fumbles while a player from the other team lands on Jantz fumbles?

    Good to see his TO % has gone down. Still needs to go down some more. Good news is though, despite his 5 turnovers thru 3 games, they aren't the mental brain farts they were last year. Out of his 4 INT's, I can say that only 1 was a poor decision trying to force a ball he shouldn't.
    I would say both Iowa INTs were bad decisions, but 2 bad decisions over the first 3 games for a college QB really isn't that bad at all.

    I don't get the people that are scared sh*tless about what happens when Jantz has the ball, but worship Seneca Wallace, who, ya know, threw more INTs than TDs in his 2 years.


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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Agree that this has to get better but I agree with the post where really only one pick was a true error. Yes steele threw the others but as in the nfl if a receiver gets his hands on the ball it is expected to be caught. Yes some of the throws weren't perfect between the numbers but alot of times you have to throw the up an out for instance and allow the receiver to do his job.



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    I would say both Iowa INTs were bad decisions, but 2 bad decisions over the first 3 games for a college QB really isn't that bad at all.

    I don't get the people that are scared sh*tless about what happens when Jantz has the ball, but worship Seneca Wallace, who, ya know, threw more INTs than TDs in his 2 years.

    I did not remember that Seneca had more INT's than TD's. Of course I have drank a lot over the past 10 year....so there's that.



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    I would say both Iowa INTs were bad decisions, but 2 bad decisions over the first 3 games for a college QB really isn't that bad at all.

    I don't get the people that are scared sh*tless about what happens when Jantz has the ball, but worship Seneca Wallace, who, ya know, threw more INTs than TDs in his 2 years.
    I hear you.

    I should have clarified my point about the Iowa game. I think the INT to Morris was Jantz forcing something that was never there. I think the first one was simply a bad read. But you are right, you can chalk both those up as bad decisions. His other two picks were good decisions, good reads, and just happened to be picked.



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    I wanted to see how Jantz was performing as compared to last year regarding his turnovers. Here's what I came up with...thoughts and questions are welcome.

    enCYCLONEpedia: The "Jantz Dance" | News | Football | Cyclone Fanatic
    While the numbers show turnovers are bad and you generally lose the game if you lose the turnover battle, another criteria is field position. Not that it was good but the 3 TOs in the red zone gave Iowa a long field to work with and the defense wins the game. This doesn't happen it those TOs happen on the other side of the 50. Texas game last year is a good example of giving the opponent a short field and the defense no rest.



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    I was expecting some sort of animated gif of Jantz dancing when I opened this thread. I guess statistics are fun too.



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Seneca had 26 TD's to 27 INT's at Iowa State with a completion percentage of 57.7%

    Sage Rosenfels had 18 TD's to 23 INT's with a completion percentage of 52.6%

    Steele Jantz so far in his career 16 TD's to 15 INT's with a completion percentage of 58.2%

    This year Jantz has 6 TD's to 4 INT's with a completion percentage of 70%



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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    I hear you.

    I should have clarified my point about the Iowa game. I think the INT to Morris was Jantz forcing something that was never there. I think the first one was simply a bad read. But you are right, you can chalk both those up as bad decisions. His other two picks were good decisions, good reads, and just happened to be picked.
    Absolutely. In terms of decision making, I don't know how anyone can't see the improvement thus far.


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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    Seneca had 26 TD's to 27 INT's at Iowa State with a completion percentage of 57.7%

    Sage Rosenfels had 18 TD's to 23 INT's with a completion percentage of 52.6%

    Steele Jantz so far in his career 16 TD's to 15 INT's with a completion percentage of 58.2%

    This year Jantz has 6 TD's to 4 INT's with a completion percentage of 70%
    There will be exploding heads in offices across the State this morning.


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    Re: The "Jantz Dance"

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones85' View Post
    Seneca had 26 TD's to 27 INT's at Iowa State with a completion percentage of 57.7%

    Sage Rosenfels had 18 TD's to 23 INT's with a completion percentage of 52.6%

    Steele Jantz so far in his career 16 TD's to 15 INT's with a completion percentage of 58.2%

    This year Jantz has 6 TD's to 4 INT's with a completion percentage of 70%
    One thing that makes this skewed is the style of offense each played.
    SJs comp. % is higher because he throws safer routes. ie. lots of 3 yd. bubble screens. But one would also assume he has more pass attempts, making his TDs/INTs stat look more impressive...?



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