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    Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    With ND and the ACC (for the time being) off the table. No team from the SEC/BIG/PAC12 is going to jump ship to the BIG12. Who’s is left? Like previously mention in this ongoing thread your only reasonable choices when it comes down to it are,

    Louisville
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    The reason I don't mention BYU, although I respect their school and brand, it does not make sense with me to expand west when you have already expanded east with West Virginia University. Like some others on this thread, I believe expansion into three time zones is ridiculous, it’s a BIG 12 pulling a Big East. It only makes since at this time to go East. Which brings to my point. Why does the Big 12 need to expand? If the Big 12 needed to expand again, it will not have the option to bring in anymore football powerhouses in to the conference but it is only going to reel in schools with large TV markets. Personally I think the Big 12 does not need another Texas, WVU, or OK. Forget FSU or Clemson if the option was on the table, the BIG 12 has to many good football teams how it is. More than the Pac 12 or Big Ten at the moment. The thing the Big 12 needs is to get into new larger TV markets.

    If the B12 has to go back to 12 schools, expand to add schools with larger TV markets. That is why Louisville (Kentucky), Cincinnati (City of Cincinnati , and Rutgers (New Jersey/New York) would be good additions. They have great TV markets to promote the B12 brand name as well new places to recruit. It also makes sense to give WVU a break on their traveling expenses and also to recreate some old rivalry’s (which could be big TV ratings/money for the east coast TV sets) especially with being associated the B12 instead the Big Least.

    Like it said, expanding West is a bad move. There are no more football powerhouses left in the Mid-west or East Coast (Big 12 does not need another powerhouse,) but you still have some decent schools with great TV markets out East yet. I would get them while they are around. The SEC did the same thing with Missouri, they didn’t add them for their football program, the added them for the their TV market of 6 million plus.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    why do we have to expand at all?



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Or don't expand at all because Iowa State loses money with any additions!



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    10 is great



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Can we just stop all this. There is no reason to expand at all and it would be dumb to do so. We are stable right now, bringing in more schools wont make things more stable, in fact, I would argue the exact opposite. No school is going to bring in at least $20 million in additional revenue unless Notre Dame is a part of it. The Big 12 wont be expanding unless they are forced to do so by the NCAA, and that wont be happening anytime soon.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    It might be easier to win a conference title with 12 teams...


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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Quote Originally Posted by isu5000 View Post
    Who’s is left? Like previously mention in this ongoing thread your only reasonable choices when it comes down to it are,

    Louisville
    Cinny
    Rutgers
    UCONN

    Why does the Big 12 need to expand? If the Big 12 needed to expand again, it will not have the option to bring in anymore football powerhouses in to the conference but it is only going to reel in schools with large TV markets. The thing the Big 12 needs is to get into new larger TV markets.

    If the B12 has to go back to 12 schools, expand to add schools with larger TV markets.
    The B12 will not expand unless each school added will add at least $25M of annual value to the new T1 and T2 TV deals and likely none of your listed schools add that kind of value. Now if ESPN and Fox really want the likes of Louisville, UConn and Rutgers out of the Big East and will play a premium (more than $25M annually for each school) to facilitate their move to the B12, then maybe the B12 will agree to expand with 2 of those schools. Otherwise, B12 expansion will not happen anytime soon (unless the B12 and/or ESPN agree to pay the majority of FSU's and Clemson's huge exit fees out of the ACC).

    Also, the size of TV markets doesn't mean much to the T1 and T2 deals. Florida State and Clemson are in much smaller TV markets than Rutgers, but FSU and Clemson games draw much higher ratings than Rutgers. Both FSU and Clemson provides much more value to the T1 and T2 deals than Rutgers or any other existing Big East school.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    It might be easier to win a conference title with 12 teams...
    It would be easier for Iowa State to win a conference title by building a quality team, which takes quality facilities and quality staff. Quality facilities and quality staff take money. Adding 2 more teams decreases money.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    90% of the Big 12 is ranked in the top 25 by non biased ranking systems.

    That's right, other than KU, the entire Big 12 is ranked in the top 25 in most computer models that are mostly still using some of last year's results combined with the first two weeks of the 2012 season.

    The SEC is surely the best conference at the top. But the Big 12 is the most deep and it's not close.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Didn't the SEC learn that TV market is a myth in this? That added Mizzou and aTm and it didn't increase their value either. Also having a CCG adds money to the pot.


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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    For the record, I do not want to expand at this point, but, if 'ville and the Mormons were invited I would be fine with it.

    But, why would expansion into 3 time zones be a bad thing? I would think that would give you more TV windows, which would mean more games on TV.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    Didn't the SEC learn that TV market is a myth in this? That added Mizzou and aTm and it didn't increase their value either. Also having a CCG adds money to the pot.
    I think most conference games possible + CCG is the most profitable.

    If they let the Big 12 have 5 team divisions and a title game we'd probably have the most profitable model possible. Of course it would be kind of redundant, but no more than regular season and tournament champions in college basketball.

    We'd play every team in both divisions, but if we beat out the other 4 teams in our division we'd also play in a title game against the other.

    I hate 9 games when the other major conferences aren't doing it, but it's not going away. 10 teams, 12 teams, 14 teams...it's going to be 9 or even 10 conference games.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    Didn't the SEC learn that TV market is a myth in this? That added Mizzou and aTm and it didn't increase their value either. Also having a CCG adds money to the pot.
    The size of TV markets do matter at the Tier 3 level if SEC plans to implement a conference network come to fruition. ESPN and CBS are reportedly not going to increase the SEC's T1 and T2 deals. The SEC supposedly will need to justify adding A&M and Mizzou at the T3 level (via cable subscriptions) with a conference network in partnership with ESPN.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    I could take it or leave it. Adding a couple average teams while ever so slightly decreasing our payout will help us win more games. Keeping us at 10 teams with a harder schedule but more money is ok too. Either way we have to field a very good team to reach our goals and that won't change.



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    Re: Big 12's should be looking at TV markets not football power houses.

    Quote Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0 View Post
    For the record, I do not want to expand at this point, but, if 'ville and the Mormons were invited I would be fine with it.

    But, why would expansion into 3 time zones be a bad thing? I would think that would give you more TV windows, which would mean more games on TV.
    I'm of the same mind. They're the only program that is tempting on their own without some impulse to reach a number. If poaching the ACC is off the table and there's an impulse to expand to 12 it would be kind of crazy to not invite them and and ask someone like Cincy who has a small fraction of the brand and interest just because of time zones.



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