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    By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    A few cool stats that I saw earlier.

    9-6 isn't just the score of yesterday's game. It's also Iowa State's record against Iowa in the last fifteen Cy-Hawk showdowns. That's a 60% winning percentage.

    How about some Ferentz/Rhoads comparisons? They took over programs in somewhat comparable positions (with Ferentz's obviously having more prestige and opportunity to improve). Through his first forty games, Kirk went 15-25 at Iowa. Rhoads has gone 20-20 over the same time period.

    Kirk's fourth season was also his magical one at Iowa, when the Hawks went 11-2 with a Big Ten co-championship and an Orange Bowl berth.

    This is Rhoads' fourth season at Iowa State.

    Let's go, Cyclones!



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    KF was also 0-4 over ISU in his first 4 season. CPR is 2-2.



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Doubt Rhoads can capture a Big 12 championship this year, but hey crazy things happen. If our offense can get back to the form it was in the last 3 quarters against Tulsa and Steele can be as accurate as he was in the first half against Iowa we're going to have a fun year. Defense appears it should be pretty good as long as we can avoid the injury bug



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Quote Originally Posted by KFitzy87 View Post
    Doubt Rhoads can capture a Big 12 championship this year, but hey crazy things happen. If our offense can get back to the form it was in the last 3 quarters against Tulsa and Steele can be as accurate as he was in the first half against Iowa we're going to have a fun year. Defense appears it should be pretty good as long as we can avoid the injury bug
    I know the comparison isn't direct. I think the best example of a HUGE step forward would be a winning conference schedule. Going 3-0 in non-con and 5-4 in the conference slate sets up ISU for a chance to get a HUGE 9-win season.

    That would be the first 9-win season, first 5-win conference season, and first winning record in Big 12 play since 2000. That's a long time.

    I know five wins are hard to find with our conference schedule, but I think Coach Rhoads and the team can find them... in order of likelihood:

    *Kansas looks awful.
    *Texas Tech is a team that we have owned and Rhoads has Tuberville's number.
    *Oklahoma State does not look like a great football team, and we can score on them.
    *Baylor will put up points, but we get them at home and we can score on them, too.
    *K-State has been a close game the past few years, and we get them at home.

    If ISU can win even just four of those five, and then steal one from TCU, Texas, Oklahoma, or West Virginia... we've got it.


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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Here's some more numbers:

    ISU 1st half
    45 plays, 14 first downs, 271 yards.
    1 fumble and 1 INT.
    1 Punt

    ISU 2nd half
    33 plays, 5 first downs, 107 yards.
    1 fumble and 1 INT.
    5 Punts

    2nd half includes 2 kneel downs for -6 yards. And 42 of the 107 came on one pass to White.

    WTF happened in the 2nd half?? I have to watch the replay yet. Sure looks like Iowa made a defensive adjustment and ISU did not figure it out. Concerned.



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    The biggest thing that happened in the 2nd half...Iowa loaded the box and dared us to go deep. We went deep three times...and overthrew an open receiver three times. Steele is usually pretty good with the deep balls, and I'm going to assume he was just a tad TOO pumped up...as he overthrew each guy by about 2 steps on all three throws. If Steele gets that aspect of his game tamed, we score more points and the defense has to back off stuffing the box. On the flip side, until he proves he can hit those passes in a game, teams will be stuffing the box and playing bump and run with our our wideouts. So I think practice these next few weeks will focus, for Steele anyway, on getting the ball down a bit on the long throws and completing what could have been very game-changing plays.

    The bright side is that our guys were beating the Hawks deep...and Iowa DOES have a pretty good secondary. Further, Steele CAN make these throws...he just needs to crank down the arm strength an iota. So this is a correctable shortcoming and one that I can almost guarantee the coaches are aware of...and will remedy. No team can move the ball consistently if the box is stuffed with 8-9 guys...UNLESS...they can hit the deep throw.


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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesaclone1 View Post
    The biggest thing that happened in the 2nd half...Iowa loaded the box and dared us to go deep. We went deep three times...and overthrew an open receiver three times. Steele is usually pretty good with the deep balls, and I'm going to assume he was just a tad TOO pumped up...as he overthrew each guy by about 2 steps on all three throws. If Steele gets that aspect of his game tamed, we score more points and the defense has to back off stuffing the box. On the flip side, until he proves he can hit those passes in a game, teams will be stuffing the box and playing bump and run with our our wideouts. So I think practice these next few weeks will focus, for Steele anyway, on getting the ball down a bit on the long throws and completing what could have been very game-changing plays.
    Wind was behind Steele on those long balls too so for all we know it coulda gusted each time he tried to go there... It'll happen this season sometime, book it



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Quote Originally Posted by CascadeClone View Post
    Here's some more numbers:

    ISU 1st half
    45 plays, 14 first downs, 271 yards.
    1 fumble and 1 INT.
    1 Punt

    ISU 2nd half
    33 plays, 5 first downs, 107 yards.
    1 fumble and 1 INT.
    5 Punts

    2nd half includes 2 kneel downs for -6 yards. And 42 of the 107 came on one pass to White.

    WTF happened in the 2nd half?? I have to watch the replay yet. Sure looks like Iowa made a defensive adjustment and ISU did not figure it out. Concerned.
    I didn't have a real good place to watch the game and haven't seen the reply yet but I think that Iowa came out in the second half with a different game plan. I think they decided to try and make Jantz beat them deep and played much tighter coverage. We tried a couple times but overthrew or missed the open receivers. Also, I think that Jantz really got a little over confident by his start in the game and began thinking he was Brett Favre (how many times did the announcer say this?).

    Edit: Looks like the last two posters beat me to it. Totally agree with you.



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Quote Originally Posted by CascadeClone View Post
    Here's some more numbers:

    WTF happened in the 2nd half?? I have to watch the replay yet. Sure looks like Iowa made a defensive adjustment and ISU did not figure it out. Concerned.
    To me, it seemed like we were a little stubborn in the second half trying to run right at Iowa's defense, especially on first down. This was most apparent on the first few possessions of the 3rd quarter. I think the coaches felt like we could establish a ground game, but Iowa brought more numbers than we could block.

    cyphoon



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Quote Originally Posted by KFitzy87 View Post
    Wind was behind Steele on those long balls too so for all we know it coulda gusted each time he tried to go there... It'll happen this season sometime, book it
    Like the first score of the season?



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Not too worked up on those overthrows. Overthrows are always preferable to underthrows on deep balls. We were really close on all of 'em, and we'll connect on our fair share.



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Steele clearly was distracted by the sun glare off the throwback Hawk helmets.

    (helmet glare is on page 246 in the Hawkeye Guide to Excuses)



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Quote Originally Posted by Prone2Clone View Post
    Steele clearly was distracted by the sun glare off the throwback Hawk helmets.

    (helmet glare is on page 246 in the Hawkeye Guide to Excuses)
    He was looking ahead to Western Illinois...



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ry4Cy View Post
    He was looking ahead to Western Illinois...
    But he was already involved in a game against Western Illinois. Looking ahead to playing a team he was already playing resulted in infinite recursion and stack overflow. This really threw him off his game.

    PS: Stack overflow is on page 247 of the Hawkeye Guide to Excuses.



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    Re: By the Numbers (9-6, 15-25, 20-20)

    Please dont ever compare us to Iowa or their coaches. We are Iowa State and we expect more out of ourselves



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