Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 23
  1. #1
    All-Star
    Points: 64,673, Level: 78
    Level completed: 89%, Points required for next Level: 177
    Overall activity: 5.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranRecommendation First Class50000 Experience Points
    nallen34's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Marshalltown, Iowa
    Posts
    1,973
    Points
    64,673
    Level
    78
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 10
    Given: 10

    A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Let's take a look at our two transfer new comers.

    Lucious Stats(3 years at Michigan State):

    17.5 minutes per game
    4.8 points per game
    1.4 rebounds per game
    2.6 assists per game
    1.6 turnovers per game
    .56 steals per game
    1.2 fouls per game
    34% overall from the field
    31% of overall shots from 2 pt range, 69% of overall shots from 3 pt range
    40% from 2
    1.45 2 pt attempts per game
    .57 2 pt makes per game
    32% from 3
    3.2 3 pt attempts per game
    1.04 3 pt makes per game
    73% free throw percentage
    .67 free throw attempts per game
    .49 free throw makes per game

    -Granted Lucious only played half the minutes that Clyburn did, didn't have as big of role as Clyburn, and also played with better players than Clyburn. He shows that he can score and pass. He has a 1.6 to 1 assist to turnover ratio which is solid. He doesn't shoot it that well percentage wise and shoots twice as many 3's as 2's. So his shot selection isn't the best. He also needs to get to the free throw line more. Hopefully with a year off he worked on all of these things. If he did i see him averaging 10 pts 5 assists per game.



    Clyburn Stats(1 year at Utah):

    34.7 minutes per game
    17.1 points per game
    7.8 rebounds per game
    1 assist per game
    2.5 turnovers per game
    1.1 steals per game
    2.3 fouls per game
    45% overall from the field
    58% of overall shots from 2 pt range, 42% of overall shots from 3 pt range
    49% from 2
    6.9 2 pt attempts per game
    3.4 2 pt makes per game
    40% from 3
    5.1 3 pt attempts per game
    2.1 3 pt makes per game

    75% free throw percentage
    5.5 free throw attempts per game
    4.2 free throw makes per game

    -Clyburn didn't play with the best players at Utah and had a huge role there. He also played double the minutes that Lucious did. He obviously can score and rebound very well. He shoots a great percentage from 2 and 3 which shows that he must have good shot selection. He also shows that he can take it to the hole and hit the deep ball. He gets to the line with ease as well. He needs to work on taking care of the ball as he had a 1 to 2.5 assist to turn over ratio. I could see Clyburn having a similar season to his season at Utah and being a first rounder by the time next June comes around.


    Last edited by nallen34; 08-06-2012 at 08:58 PM.

  2. #2
    All-Star
    Points: 10,258, Level: 30
    Level completed: 52%, Points required for next Level: 292
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album pictures1 year registered10000 Experience Points
    BuffettClone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Altoona, Iowa
    Posts
    1,112
    Points
    10,258
    Level
    30
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 11
    Given: 5

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    I hope Lucious plays more of a floor general type role than a high scoring type role. It doesn't seem like he has the best shot selection or the best shooting touch, but hopefully he has improved that with Fred's help



  3. #3
    Speechless
    Points: 227,057, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 23.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience PointsCreated Album pictures
    Clones21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Des Moines
    Posts
    17,558
    Points
    227,057
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    We better be hoping the KL is avging 6+ assist a game.


    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."

  4. #4
    KFitzy87
    Guest

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones21 View Post
    We better be hoping the KL is avging 6+ assist a game.
    Oh gosh yes, because if he only averages 5 we're going to be losing a lot of games



  5. #5
    Legend
    Points: 180,051, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 19.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteran50000 Experience Points
    Aclone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Des Moines, Ia.
    Posts
    12,860
    Points
    180,051
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 165
    Given: 669

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Maybe you should edit that "new comers" as well.

    i also think that you're basing their future roles too much off of their previous stats. I expect Lucious to be much more of a penetrator than he was at MSU--and a better shooter, after a year off.




    Paul Rhoads' players never quit.
    (They just disappear offseason)


  6. #6
    Speechless
    Points: 227,057, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 23.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialRecommendation Second ClassVeteran50000 Experience PointsCreated Album pictures
    Clones21's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Des Moines
    Posts
    17,558
    Points
    227,057
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 0
    Given: 0

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by KFitzy87 View Post
    Oh gosh yes, because if he only averages 5 we're going to be losing a lot of games
    I didn't say that. And I'm also not here to argue with a fellow Cyclone fan. I just think we need our first true PG since DG to be avging around that amount. He's a senior too. That should help his cause.


    "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."

  7. #7
    All-Star
    Points: 64,673, Level: 78
    Level completed: 89%, Points required for next Level: 177
    Overall activity: 5.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranRecommendation First Class50000 Experience Points
    nallen34's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Marshalltown, Iowa
    Posts
    1,973
    Points
    64,673
    Level
    78
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 10
    Given: 10

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by Aclone View Post
    I expect Lucious to be much more of a penetrator than he was at MSU--and a better shooter, after a year off.
    Yes he really does need to balance his game out. 69% of his shots at Michigan State were from 3. He needs to get it closer to 50/50 especially considering he only shot 34% from 3. Also we have Babb, McGee, and Clyburn to shoot the majority of our 3 pt shots. We need Lucious to drive and kick to set up open 3's for these guys.



  8. #8
    All-Star
    Points: 37,440, Level: 59
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 410
    Overall activity: 12.0%
    Achievements:
    25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    farminclone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    1,506
    Points
    37,440
    Level
    59
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 106
    Given: 9

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Thanks for the research.

    I am excited about these two coming in. KL needs to be our floor general, doesn't need to score, just facilitate everything.

    Clyburn needs to and will score a lot for us. I am excited to see what he can do for us.



  9. #9
    Addict
    Points: 143,072, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 1.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    WhatchaGonnaDo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    5,146
    Points
    143,072
    Level
    100
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 331
    Given: 204

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones21 View Post
    I didn't say that. And I'm also not here to argue with a fellow Cyclone fan. I just think we need our first true PG since DG to be avging around that amount. He's a senior too. That should help his cause.
    Cuz it's been so long since DG. A whole year. Gasp.



  10. #10
    Addict
    Points: 96,065, Level: 96
    Level completed: 51%, Points required for next Level: 985
    Overall activity: 8.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    acgclone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    6,819
    Points
    96,065
    Level
    96
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 329
    Given: 64

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by Clones21 View Post
    We better be hoping the KL is avging 6+ assist a game.
    Can we get a drama queen smiley for Clones21 posts?



  11. #11
    All-Star
    Points: 24,391, Level: 47
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 159
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    1 year registered10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    West Des Moines
    Posts
    1,078
    Points
    24,391
    Level
    47
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 28
    Given: 36

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by BuffettClone View Post
    I hope Lucious plays more of a floor general type role than a high scoring type role. It doesn't seem like he has the best shot selection or the best shooting touch, but hopefully he has improved that with Fred's help
    This will be a different system than MSU runs/ran. We are more up and down and push the tempo more. It will be interesting to see how he fits into Freddy's style. In addition to being the PG, DG also needed to score with the personnel he had around him. Lucious will not need to score, just get us into the offense, penetrate and PUSH, PUSH, PUSH in transition.

    Also, in looking at his stats, it looks like he could be more aggessive defensively. He averaged 1.2 fouls per game and .56 steals in 17.5 minutes. Double the minutes and and he is at 2.4 fouls and just over 1 steal per game. Hopefully he can bring it on both ends.



  12. #12
    All-Star
    Points: 64,673, Level: 78
    Level completed: 89%, Points required for next Level: 177
    Overall activity: 5.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranRecommendation First Class50000 Experience Points
    nallen34's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Marshalltown, Iowa
    Posts
    1,973
    Points
    64,673
    Level
    78
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 10
    Given: 10

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by hoopitup View Post
    This will be a different system than MSU runs/ran. We are more up and down and push the tempo more. It will be interesting to see how he fits into Freddy's style. In addition to being the PG, DG also needed to score with the personnel he had around him. Lucious will not need to score, just get us into the offense, penetrate and PUSH, PUSH, PUSH in transition.

    Also, in looking at his stats, it looks like he could be more aggessive defensively. He averaged 1.2 fouls per game and .56 steals in 17.5 minutes. Double the minutes and and he is at 2.4 fouls and just over 1 steal per game. Hopefully he can bring it on both ends.
    Lucious wont need to score but he will. I see him averaging 10 and 5 playing 30 minutes a game. As for defense 1 steal a game is great. Babb averaged 1 steal a game and just over one foul a game. Clyburn also averaged 1 steal a game at Utah. I think that this years team is going to be SO much better defensively than we were last year. Scott, Allen, and Royce were average to below average defenders. Korie is very quick and Will shows that he played good defense in the past. Babb and Tyrus are both lock down defenders. Hopefully Percy has worked on his defense. If we are lacking anywhere with defense it will be in the post with the Freshman Niang, Percy who was weak last year at defense, and undersized Ejim. But i still say we are a better overall defensive team than last year.



  13. #13
    Addict
    Points: 66,570, Level: 80
    Level completed: 8%, Points required for next Level: 1,480
    Overall activity: 14.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    Rural's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    5,866
    Points
    66,570
    Level
    80
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 224
    Given: 149

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by nallen34 View Post
    Lucious wont need to score but he will. I see him averaging 10 and 5 playing 30 minutes a game. As for defense 1 steal a game is great. Babb averaged 1 steal a game and just over one foul a game. Clyburn also averaged 1 steal a game at Utah. I think that this years team is going to be SO much better defensively than we were last year. Scott, Allen, and Royce were average to below average defenders. Korie is very quick and Will shows that he played good defense in the past. Babb and Tyrus are both lock down defenders. Hopefully Percy has worked on his defense. If we are lacking anywhere with defense it will be in the post with the Freshman Niang, Percy who was weak last year at defense, and undersized Ejim. But i still say we are a better overall defensive team than last year.
    I don't think there'll be any doubt of that but it might not show up statistically as much different because I think we'll be less of a "shot clock" team on offense.



  14. #14
    All-Star
    Points: 31,533, Level: 54
    Level completed: 63%, Points required for next Level: 417
    Overall activity: 11.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    1,159
    Points
    31,533
    Level
    54
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 179
    Given: 12

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    My only concern with these two will be physical...can they stand up to the Big 12?

    I think they have the skills we need, but their slight builds will take a beating.



  15. #15
    Pro
    Points: 73,084, Level: 83
    Level completed: 97%, Points required for next Level: 66
    Overall activity: 0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran50000 Experience Points
    brokenloginagain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    2,017
    Points
    73,084
    Level
    83
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 73
    Given: 0

    Re: A look at Lucious and Clyburn

    Quote Originally Posted by nfrine View Post
    My only concern with these two will be physical...can they stand up to the Big 12?

    I think they have the skills we need, but their slight builds will take a beating.
    good point. tom izzo is known to be soft and plays in that b10 midget league.



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • TV: FS1
  • Iowa State @ Oklahoma State
  • October 4, 2014
  • 11:00 AM