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    Pakistan

    Musharraf declares state of emergency - Focus on Pakistan - MSNBC.com

    Bad news. It occurred to me today that with the surge in Iraq apparantly starting to calm things down, if Al qaeda isn't shifting their focus to Afganistan and Pakistan.



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    Re: Pakistan

    Al Qaeda has not "shifted their focus to Afganistan and Pakistan." Pakistan has been ground zero for al Qaeda all along. If the U.S. was serious about fighting terrorism this is where the emphasis should have been placed instead of invading Iraq.


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    Re: Pakistan

    I agree that it is. My point is that they may be shifting more of their militants there.



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    Re: Pakistan

    Ruh-row, Raggy



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    Re: Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclonepride View Post
    I agree that it is. My point is that they may be shifting more of their militants there.
    I highly doubt it. They don't need to do much shifting. They can recruit new people in Iraq, and they have been strong in Pakistan for some time.


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    Re: Pakistan

    What I can't figure out is why we give a thug like Musharraf financial support.



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    Re: Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by alaskaguy View Post
    What I can't figure out is why we give a thug like Musharraf financial support.
    The enemy of our enemy is our friend. It worked with Saddam...


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    Re: Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    I highly doubt it. They don't need to do much shifting. They can recruit new people in Iraq, and they have been strong in Pakistan for some time.
    I have no statistics to back it up, but if they are recruiting locally for Iraq, it's probably not from in Iraq. They are not well liked there anymore.



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    Re: Pakistan

    Al-Qaeda does not appear to be well liked by the masses in the Middle East. However, much of Pakistan is a safe haven for al Qaeda.

    Link:
    Pakistan — Al Qaeda’s New Safe Haven, Weekly Standard: Act Now With IncentivesTo Entice Region To Turn Against Terror Group - CBS News



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    Re: Pakistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    The enemy of our enemy is our friend. It worked with Saddam...
    Mussarref is a reluctant supporter of U.S. goals at best. He saw the writing on the wall when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan and switched alliances. Nevertheless, that didn't change the fact that Mussarref is a thug.



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    Re: Pakistan

    Anyone see the mystery strike?

    10 Pakistan militants die in mystery strike - Focus on Pakistan - MSNBC.com

    He is a thug, but he's going to get US support as our best option at this point.



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    Re: Pakistan

    I just don't understand why Musharraf is our best option. Is it because Pakistan is one of the largest purchasers of U.S. arms?

    Pakistan is the breeding ground for the terrorist groups that we are supposed to be fighting. In addition, Pakistan has become the rest and recreation center where terrorists recuperate between their attacks on the iinfidels. Bin Laden has been holed up in Pakistan for how long now? And how is the Pakistani army going to rain all those bombs and missiles they are purchasing from the U.S. on the enemy they cannot even locate?

    The argument that Musharref is our best option does not hold up against mounting evidence that, as an ally, Musharraf has been an opportunist from the start who has continued to help the Taliban (just as he had done before 9/11 ) and who has gone after Al Qaeda cells in Pakistan only to the extent necessary to fend off U.S. pressure.

    The Los Angeles Times published an editorial September 5, 2006 titled, "Pakistan: Friend or Foe? The U.S. Shouldn't prop up President Musharraf's military regime."

    The theme of the article is that the current support of Musharraf is misguided.

    I have provided some excerpts and the link:

    The Islamic parties are flourishing under the protective umbrella of the Pakistani armed forces. Their growth would be slowed if secular political forces had a chance to assert themselves through free elections and a parliamentary system liberated from army manipulation. Under Musharraf, the army has seized much more power than past military regimes, installing military officers in hundreds of government posts previously held by civil servants. Army-sponsored conglomerates control multibillion-dollar enterprises and will not be easily dislodged. As a Pakistani editor commented, "Most countries have an army, but in Pakistan, the army has a country."

    The U.S. should use its aid leverage to promote three goals: Bhutto and Sharif should be permitted to return and organize freely. If Musharraf wants to run for president again, he should step down as army chief of staff and run as a civilian. Finally, he should turn over power to a neutral caretaker government that would conduct the elections. This would be welcomed in Pakistan even by elements within the armed forces. An open letter in July from a group of retired generals called for "the disengagement of the military from political power." As one of its signatories, Lt. Gen. Talat Masood, observed, "There is a genuine urge and demand in the country to revert to democracy and give a fair deal to all the parties."

    Link:
    Center for International Policy


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    Re: Pakistan

    Musharraf is the best option because he is in charge. We can't exactly topple him and set up someone in his place without a huge mess. At best we can pressure him to do what is in our interests, and so far he has been doing that to an extent.



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    Re: Pakistan

    I'm not advocating that we topple Musharraf. However, we need to realize that he is an unreliable client. We seem to be coddling up to Musharraf much like we did with Sadaam Hussein in the 1980s. Having Sadaam Hussein as a strategic ally didn't work out for the best, and potentially we could be going down the same road with Musharraf.



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    Re: Pakistan

    Interestingly Musharraf used an Abraham Lincoln quote in making the argument to impose martial law in Pakistan.

    Mussharraf dismissed the Supreme Court and opposition leaders are being arrested.

    Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said at a news conference today that new parliamentary elections, which had been expected in January, could be “up to a year” away.

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