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    Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Defensive Ends

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    Roosevelt Maggitt had a starting spot locked down before being injured last year. Willie Scott is scrappy, quick and effective. David Irving has the size and athleticism of a very high NFL draft pick waiting to happen. Rony Nelson is athletic and has a burst.

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    If Maggitt is completely healthy and Irving starts to harness his talent this season, both could be all conference caliber. So, is this the season Irving steps forward? Has Willie Scott put on some muscle? Has Nelson learned to focus his burst? Might Ben Durbin help Irving some on the strong side? Size beyond Irving is a question.

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    Newcomers Nick Kron, Devin Lemke and Corey Morrissey, at the least, all have a lot of hustle. Is one of these guys a future poor man’s Jared Allen? They all also have both a lot of eligibility—and a lot to learn. Interesting to see if Morrissey redshirts—as I expect Pierre Aka and the rest of the ’12 signees to do.

    tentative grade: 7.0-8.5
    *The potential weak link of the defense, as much depth and talent as the tackles, but less experience and many more questions. It’ll work out. It was interesting that in the Spring, CPR lamented on the loss of the experience of Lattimer and Neal—when Maggitt could equal Lattimer, Scott the same for Neal…and Irving so much more than either. Then we still have Nelson, Lemke and Kron, if not Morrissey as well. It’ll work out. FYI, even without a pass rush (7th in the league), pass defense was still third overall in conference play. Nice job by Wally.




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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Great input! Thank you for putting this together.



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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    I'm really hoping Irving puts it together and is ready to start this year. I'm also hoping Nelson can emerge as one of those DE's that you throw in at obvious passing situations and can end up being one of the team leaders in sacks.


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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    I'm really hoping Irving puts it together and is ready to start this year. I'm also hoping Nelson can emerge as one of those DE's that you throw in at obvious passing situations and can end up being one of the team leaders in sacks.
    Y'know, Nelson made one sack last year--and if he didn't make it, we might not have beaten Iowa.

    In much the same way, some people complain about Irving not being redshirted last season. Well, if he hadn't batted down a pass, then stampeded Weeden to the East sideline a couple of times, we might not have won THAT game, either. So I'll take that.

    Just my opinion, of course.




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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    You can go go either way with Irving. He was so raw that a little playing time and being thrown into the fire might have helped him learn quicker. I really hope Wally can make something out of him. He has the potential to go pro early anyways so not redshirting him might not of mattered in the long run. But he could also be one of those guys who doesn't put it together and never lives up to what he could be.

    I'm obviously trusting our HC and DC to get the play out of him.


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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    why isnt nelson on the depth chart? injured?



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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    This is the one position I get most frustrated at because it feels that we often do not get a good pass rush. Some of this might because we lack depth and the defense is usually on the field for long periods of time. I also believe the coaches when they say that recruiting DL are tough.

    I am really hoping that Irving can live up to his potential and be the dreamy pass rusher I fanaticize about.



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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    You can go go either way with Irving. He was so raw that a little playing time and being thrown into the fire might have helped him learn quicker. I really hope Wally can make something out of him. He has the potential to go pro early anyways so not redshirting him might not of mattered in the long run. But he could also be one of those guys who doesn't put it together and never lives up to what he could be.

    I'm obviously trusting our HC and DC to get the play out of him.
    This is my fear. With the measurable and athleticism clearly in place, he puts it together late this year or next and skips early and we only get 1/2 of a season of superstar pass rusher.

    I am excited for the new guys to get in there. I think Morrissey is a high motor guy in the mold of a Pat Neal but with a little more size. Aka could end up being a huge D end and dangerous if he keeps his speed. Lemke's speed really intrigues me, too, but I would really like to see him in more of the 260 lbs range



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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Quote Originally Posted by dbodeenisudm View Post
    why isnt nelson on the depth chart? injured?
    Motivational tool.


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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    I wish Irving could have had a redshirt season last year.



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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Was he redshirted then they pulled it after the Maggit injury?


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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    I think that we're going to know more when the fall roster comes out. A couple of the DEs really need to add some weight...especially Scott and Nelson. If they can get up to around 245, I'm going to feel a lot better about the position. I will say that Maggitt playing in the spring game took a little of the uneasiness away for me.



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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Quote Originally Posted by PabloDiablo View Post
    This is my fear. With the measurable and athleticism clearly in place, he puts it together late this year or next and skips early and we only get 1/2 of a season of superstar pass rusher.

    I am excited for the new guys to get in there. I think Morrissey is a high motor guy in the mold of a Pat Neal but with a little more size. Aka could end up being a huge D end and dangerous if he keeps his speed. Lemke's speed really intrigues me, too, but I would really like to see him in more of the 260 lbs range
    My goodness, that is the last thing I am worried about. I like his size but I haven't seen anything yet. Berryman was a stud as a freshman and he didn't get a look. I know he didn't have the same size but get real fellas.

    He is so far from even being considered by pro teams it's ridiculous to even discuss it. Let me know when he is all big 12. Very few football players leave early, unless they are a quarterback guaranteed big money or someone else who will likely not be eligible.

    The fact that he is currently listed behind an undersized dend who isn't great should tell you guys you have absolutely nothing to worry about unfortunately.



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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Its more common that you would think for someone to start and not be listed as a starter this time of the year.


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    Re: Pre Two a Days Defensive Ends

    Quote Originally Posted by D UP Clones View Post
    My goodness, that is the last thing I am worried about. I like his size but I haven't seen anything yet. Berryman was a stud as a freshman and he didn't get a look. I know he didn't have the same size but get real fellas.

    He is so far from even being considered by pro teams it's ridiculous to even discuss it. Let me know when he is all big 12. Very few football players leave early, unless they are a quarterback guaranteed big money or someone else who will likely not be eligible.

    The fact that he is currently listed behind an undersized dend who isn't great should tell you guys you have absolutely nothing to worry about unfortunately.
    Thanks for this post.

    I just cannot believe all the ridiculousness I'm hearing all over these message boards about David Irving. My goodness, the kid probably isn't even a starter yet for Iowa State (who doesn't have great DE's to begin with), and people talk about how he's got 1st round NFL draft pick potential and how he might leave college early, and so on. Just unbelievable.

    There is absolutely NOTHING about this kid that says he will even be succesful at ISU yet, except for purely his size. Well, there are plenty of people his size in the country who could never play DE, so it will take a LOT more than just size folks.

    And no, I'm not taking a shot at David Irving either. He just might end up living up to all your expectations, let's hope so, but it's probably more likely that he doesn't than it is that he will. So give him a break.

    And please remember... basically nobody wanted David Irving coming out of high school. That means he really didn't do much in high school even to wow any scouts either. He was a total project.... and is still learning a lot.

    We will all support him like mad, but please don't get ahead of ourselves here. It's just stupid.



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