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    Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    *Just since this seems to be necessary, I neither have, nor claim to have, any "expertise" in any area whatsoever. I do listen closely to the coaches and other authorities. This series is simply a compilation of what I have seen and read, my opinion, for those who wish to read a little bit about Cyclone Football, along with some idea what to look for as Summer Practice commences in a week or two.

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    Quarterbacks
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    Steele Jantz and Jared Barnett both have experience, both make mistakes—and both can be very solid quarterbacks. Matter of fact, Jantz can be special.


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    So, do either or both of these two eliminate their mistakes? And how soon is Sam Richardson ready?


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    History says that Grant Rohach spends the year redshirting. What does Grant Rohach say?


    tentative grade: 7.0to 9.5
    *There’s no more room for play at any other position.




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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    I'd go lower.



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    Re:Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    Wherever we're at, we're in much better position than we were at the same time last year.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    I'd give us a grade of 5 out of 10 until it is proven different. To be frank, our QB play sucked last year, so my grade is based off that til it is proven otherwise.

    We have a tendancy to sugarcoat this situation. Our QB play has been awful and NEEDS to improve this year if we are going bowling.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    Steele Jantz and Jared Barnett both have experience, both make mistakes—and both can be very solid quarterbacks. Matter of fact, Jantz can be special.



    Indeed, Jantz can be special, but what makes him special last year was a thin line from what made him horrid. Barnett may not be as "special," but his running ability really impressed me. I often thought he took off early and didn't seem very fast, yet he got good results, so I became a believer. It all comes down to what they do with the ball. And with JW/SJ in the backfield, Barnett should have some good opportunities to run this year.

    I hope one emerges from camp as the clear leader. But I hope the other one stays ready because it is likely that we will need both through the season. Between Jantz's scrambles and Barnett's running, it is likely that the starter will get banged up.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    [QUOTE=Cycsk;2956575]Steele Jantz and Jared Barnett both have experience, both make mistakes—and both can be very solid quarterbacks. Matter of fact, Jantz can be special.



    Indeed, Jantz can be special, but what makes him special last year was a thin line from what made him horrid. Barnett may not be as "special," but his running ability really impressed me. I often thought he took off early and didn't seem very fast, yet he got good results, so I became a believer. It all comes down to what they do with the ball. And with JW/SJ in the backfield, Barnett should have some good opportunities to run this year.[/QUOTE]
    As should Jantz.


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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    way to generous with this rating, unless miracles have happened in the off season



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    Indeed, Jantz can be special, but what makes him special last year was a thin line from what made him horrid. Barnett may not be as "special," but his running ability really impressed me. I often thought he took off early and didn't seem very fast, yet he got good results, so I became a believer. It all comes down to what they do with the ball. And with JW/SJ in the backfield, Barnett should have some good opportunities to run this year.[/QUOTE]
    As should Jantz.[/QUOTE]



    I'm really interested in seeing what Jantz can do with his arm now that he has beefed up significantly.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    I would give them a grade of 5. They each had 1 amazing game, and that is it last year. They were both downright awful in some. Huge improvements at this position will be the difference between 3 wins and a bowl appearance.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    For some reason I hope Jantz pulls it out. But then I remember he was three plays away from losing the first 3 games, and he got trounced the next 3. We easily could have started last year 0 - 3 with Jantz, and then we probably wouldn't even be considering him again.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    the fact that both competed for a year and we still don't know who the starter is or will be means we probably don't have a big 12 quarterback. Big 12 leader? Sure, Big 12 potential? Sure Jantz's turnovers gave Barnett a chance - this will happen again no matter who starts out IMO. Barnett won the biggest game in ISU history. The OC's comment whoever leads the team best may be the best clue - Barnett probably is the frontrunner in that but the fact they still haven't named a starter tells me they HOPE these guys get better from the competition. Barnett is a lot like Arnaud, you would like to think there is someone better but he won games from toughness and leadership but really didn't have the ability (or the receivers?) to be a top notch passer. Jantz may have more ability, but for some reason hasn't been able to separate from the toughness and leadership.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    jantz and JB both have potential. i like JB's leadership and running ability but he fumbles alot and doesnt have the best arm. jantz has a strong arm and i love watching him scramble from pressure, but too many int's. JB would not have been able to beat iowa. jantz would not have been able to beat okie state... i hope one of these guys (or both) steps their game up this fall


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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfever View Post
    I would give them a grade of 5. They each had 1 amazing game, and that is it last year. They were both downright awful in some. Huge improvements at this position will be the difference between 3 wins and a bowl appearance.
    I'm figuring that one factor that neither of them will control will be an improved offensice line. Too many times I watched either of them get flushed out of the pocket by a defender breaking through. Fortunately, both were often elusive enough to elude that initial rush, but that didn't do much for the play intended. And if the offensive line isn't so wracked by injuries, that will be a big help.




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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    What I find interesting is the number of interceptions thrown per season is pretty much the same regardless of quarterback and year under our ex-offensive coordinator Tom Herman. I think his system was THE problem. Too complicated for the receivers and quarterbacks to run efficiently and effectively. Messingham will get things corrected and Steele Jantz will be our starter come the Tulsa game. No doubt about it.



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    Re: Pre Two-a-Days Quarterback Grade

    Quote Originally Posted by farminclone View Post
    I'd give us a grade of 5 out of 10 until it is proven different. To be frank, our QB play sucked last year, so my grade is based off that til it is proven otherwise.

    We have a tendancy to sugarcoat this situation. Our QB play has been awful and NEEDS to improve this year if we are going bowling.
    Quote Originally Posted by xboxfever View Post
    I would give them a grade of 5. They each had 1 amazing game, and that is it last year. They were both downright awful in some. Huge improvements at this position will be the difference between 3 wins and a bowl appearance.
    Absolute truth right here...with an average QB ISU could have had what we consider a special type season. I am talking additional wins vs. OU and KSU. 8-4 is outstanding at ISU.



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