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    Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck


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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    I could've guessed the top 3... makes perfect sense and Art Briles will never win that many games again.


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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    Did Ubs really write that Bill Snyder has a case as the best college football coach ever???



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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    Quote Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone View Post
    Did Ubs really write that Bill Snyder has a case as the best college football coach ever???

    I can see that. Most younger people dont realize that KSU's football past was MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than ISU before he came around.

    What he was able to do there is amazing to me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone View Post
    Did Ubs really write that Bill Snyder has a case as the best college football coach ever???
    Well I would agree he's one of the better coaches for his buck ever... Paul Rhodes will soon be


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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    Quote Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone View Post
    Did Ubs really write that Bill Snyder has a case as the best college football coach ever???
    I've argued this very point before. KSU on paper should be a tougher place to win than ISU, yet he's managed to be a consistent winner while he's been there. He turned the absolute worst program in college football into a perrenial winner, and continues to win with less than stellar recruits.

    Give Snyder the resources that a Nick Saban has, and he'd be unstoppable.


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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUCyclones2015 View Post
    Well I would agree he's one of the better coaches for his buck ever... Paul Rhodes will soon be
    Who?



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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    I've always wanted to see some similar stat's on football program spending bang for the buck. This would be something like football budget dollars per win.

    Historically, I wonder how Iowa State, with it's relatively small football budget, has done compared to other schools.



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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    I've argued this very point before. KSU on paper should be a tougher place to win than ISU, yet he's managed to be a consistent winner while he's been there. He turned the absolute worst program in college football into a perrenial winner, and continues to win with less than stellar recruits.

    Give Snyder the resources that a Nick Saban has, and he'd be unstoppable.
    Exactly right. The only time youll ever see me bag on Snyder is through frustration losing to him. Otherwise I have tremendous respect for him and what hes done there. However, he needs to retire and go away now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    I've argued this very point before. KSU on paper should be a tougher place to win than ISU, yet he's managed to be a consistent winner while he's been there. He turned the absolute worst program in college football into a perrenial winner, and continues to win with less than stellar recruits.

    Give Snyder the resources that a Nick Saban has, and he'd be unstoppable.
    I don't like the idea of judging a coach based on the counter-factual; we simply have no idea that Snyder would do better at a place like Alabama or some other school with more resources. College football is littered with coaches who had amazing success at so-called "lesser" schools and then flopped when given the resources afforded to them at big name programs. Rich Rod, Dan Hawkins, Dennis Franchione, etc. come to mind. Maybe Snyder would have joined them, but maybe he wouldn't; nobody knows.

    And if we're going to "handicap" coaches based on their program's history, then what about guys like Barry Alvarez, Hayden Fry, Chris Petersen, etc.?

    Snyder is an amazing coach, no doubt, and I have nothing but respect for the man. But if someone's going to claim that he's the best coach ever based on "what could have been", I think there are a lot of coaches with 200+ wins, multiple conference titles, and a few national championships that would take issue with it.



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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    Quote Originally Posted by Al_4_State View Post
    I've argued this very point before. KSU on paper should be a tougher place to win than ISU, yet he's managed to be a consistent winner while he's been there. He turned the absolute worst program in college football into a perrenial winner, and continues to win with less than stellar recruits.

    Give Snyder the resources that a Nick Saban has, and he'd be unstoppable.
    Maybe, maybe not. There have been numerous coaches who could take lower level teams and make them good and then once they hit the big leagues, they sucked. Rich Rodriguez is a good example. I don't know if it's knowing how to deal with the different mindset of the 5 star types or dealing with the ******** around a program like Alabama, but there is something there. Of course, guys like Saban, Miles, Meyer, etc seem to be able to work everywhere but some coaches aren't like that.

    Having said that, based on body of work, Snyder makes a case. KSU is an awful place and the program was complete junk before he got there. Not only did he turn it into a respectable program, he turned it into a program that competed for actual championships and BCS births. That's like us competing for the Big 12 and BCS bowls which some on here think is impossible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DistrictCyclone View Post
    I don't like the idea of judging a coach based on the counter-factual; we simply have no idea that Snyder would do better at a place like Alabama or some other school with more resources. College football is littered with coaches who had amazing success at so-called "lesser" schools and then flopped when given the resources afforded to them at big name programs. Rich Rod, Dan Hawkins, Dennis Franchione, etc. come to mind. Maybe Snyder would have joined them, but maybe he wouldn't; nobody knows.

    And if we're going to "handicap" coaches based on their program's history, then what about guys like Barry Alvarez, Hayden Fry, Chris Petersen, etc.?

    Snyder is an amazing coach, no doubt, and I have nothing but respect for the man. But if someone's going to claim that he's the best coach ever based on "what could have been", I think there are a lot of coaches with 200+ wins, multiple conference titles, and a few national championships that would take issue with it.
    Chris Peterson? I think Boise was doing alright before him.


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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    I wouldn't have any problem putting Snyder in the top 5 college football coaches of all time.



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    When you're 907 years old you find out what works well and what doesn't.



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    Re: Big 12 Coaches - Bang for the buck

    Quote Originally Posted by Tre4ISU View Post
    Chris Peterson? I think Boise was doing alright before him.
    Colorado turned out great grabbing Dan Hawkins.



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