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    The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    A couple of tidbits from the West Virginia insider "MHver". This guy has been on the leading edge throughout the expansion process...but there's no telling if he's really an insider or just a master of good guesswork...so there's the caveat. Onward to what he's "tweeting" today and yesterday.

    1) Big 12 has ND on the clock with a short deadline....not sure what the precise time limit is.
    2) It LOOKS like the plan is to have ND play 5 Big 12 games per year, at least one being against Texas.
    3) ND will gain access to the SEC-Big 12 matchup Champs bowl game IF it is ranked higher than the eligible Big 12 school.
    4) ND may also have access to another Big 12 bowl...undetermined which.
    5) All non-football sports to Big 12.

    Other related notes:
    1) The 13 year GOR has been signed by all 10 schools...the confusion is that the Bowlsby, as Commissioner, will withhold his signature until the TV agreement is finalized. So it is signed with everyone on board, but not finalized with Bowlsby's signature because the conference wants to finalize the expansion and TV contract business first.

    2) FSU is still fully on board along with Clemson....the only holdup is buyout money...which is being negotiated. FSU/Clemson evidently want more cash up front from the Big 12 to cover their downpayment to the ACC...a figure was originally agreed to but both schools now are asking for a bit more (don't know how much is a "loan" and how much a "gift".

    3) Big 12 only wants 12....14 and 16 are really just not on the table at this point.

    4) Mid to late July is going to get CRAZY on the expansion front.


    Again, I'm not vouching for the guy though personally I do think he has a good "source" at West Virginia. That said, I'd guess he's being "fed" what the source wants to feed him and is likely adding some of his own speculation. Most likely there is a good bit of truth (IMHO) in his comments. Enjoy!


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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    I'll believe all of it when I see it.



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    A West Virginia board doesn't count as a source anymore. They've lost their credibility on this stuff right now. We can guess just as well as they can.


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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    I'm starting to believe that site is the equivalent of Bleacher Report.



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    https://twitter.com/#!/MHver3

    He's got a total of 24 tweets, and started his account on the 28th.



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    Even if this is true, screw Notre Dame. I'd love it if they became a full member, but this associate member business is ********. Five Big 12 games, Texas every year? Didn't we just go through this unequal member ********? If Texas gets perks like that, it's going to destabilize the conference again.



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    Even if this is true, screw Notre Dame. I'd love it if they became a full member, but this associate member business is ********. Five Big 12 games, Texas every year? Didn't we just go through this unequal member ********? If Texas gets perks like that, it's going to destabilize the conference again.
    It's probably not, and even if it is, this "WVU source" only got it right through a dumb-luck guess. He's just another full-of-**** blabbermouth with a Twitter account; I absolutely despise threads like this.



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    **** Notre Dame!


    *Rest in peace corn dog chick

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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    His twitter may be new, but he's been posting on this stuff on the West Virginia board all year. Obviously, its one of those "take it for what it is"...the guy may have a great source, or he may be full of baloney. Time will certainly tell which is the case....for now, its the off-season and there's nothing wrong with a little speculation/guess work/insider information. For the record, the guy that runs Bayor247 blog is pretty much in agreement with MHver on this stuff and he (247) has been pretty darn close to the target throughout most of this saga.


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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    Wait. I thought the WVU site was saying they were pulling a fast one and joining the ACC at the 11th hour?

    Is there no one we can trust???



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    I'd post this guys "twitter" but I'm not sure that would be kosher with Mr. Williams. A quick google will pull it up for those interested. As for the ACC stuff, all that was said was that Swofford put out feelers...which were immediately rebuffed by WVU....not an implausible scenario.


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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    So we are essentially replacing the Big10 on ND's schedule. We also give up a bowl spot and probably way too much money. Is ND really that valuable?

    The only way this is at all a good deal for the Big12 is if ND signed over their GOR now for when their NBC contract is done to guarantee they become full members.



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesaclone1 View Post
    A couple of tidbits from the West Virginia insider "MHver". This guy has been on the leading edge throughout the expansion process...but there's no telling if he's really an insider or just a master of good guesswork...so there's the caveat. Onward to what he's "tweeting" today and yesterday.

    1) Big 12 has ND on the clock with a short deadline....not sure what the precise time limit is.
    2) It LOOKS like the plan is to have ND play 5 Big 12 games per year, at least one being against Texas.
    3) ND will gain access to the SEC-Big 12 matchup Champs bowl game IF it is ranked higher than the eligible Big 12 school.
    4) ND may also have access to another Big 12 bowl...undetermined which.

    5) All non-football sports to Big 12.

    Other related notes:
    1) The 13 year GOR has been signed by all 10 schools...the confusion is that the Bowlsby, as Commissioner, will withhold his signature until the TV agreement is finalized. So it is signed with everyone on board, but not finalized with Bowlsby's signature because the conference wants to finalize the expansion and TV contract business first.

    2) FSU is still fully on board along with Clemson....the only holdup is buyout money...which is being negotiated. FSU/Clemson evidently want more cash up front from the Big 12 to cover their downpayment to the ACC...a figure was originally agreed to but both schools now are asking for a bit more (don't know how much is a "loan" and how much a "gift".

    3) Big 12 only wants 12....14 and 16 are really just not on the table at this point.

    4) Mid to late July is going to get CRAZY on the expansion front.


    Again, I'm not vouching for the guy though personally I do think he has a good "source" at West Virginia. That said, I'd guess he's being "fed" what the source wants to feed him and is likely adding some of his own speculation. Most likely there is a good bit of truth (IMHO) in his comments. Enjoy!
    Not unless football comes over too and they have to play the same schedule as everyone else.



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesaclone1 View Post
    A couple of tidbits from the West Virginia insider "MHver". This guy has been on the leading edge throughout the expansion process...but there's no telling if he's really an insider or just a master of good guesswork...so there's the caveat. Onward to what he's "tweeting" today and yesterday.

    1) Big 12 has ND on the clock with a short deadline....not sure what the precise time limit is.
    2) It LOOKS like the plan is to have ND play 5 Big 12 games per year, at least one being against Texas.
    Does this mean they might play Texas more than once per year?



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    Re: The latest on Big 12 Expansion, ND, and GOR...from Mhver (WVU source).

    Ehhh...don't believe much of it anymore. At most, ND may announce something yet this Summer, but I think the ACC raid is on hold for now.



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