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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by TXCyclones View Post
    The reason I don't buy into this "B12 Will Not Expand" idea is that they just reworked the logo to the new improved (very ugly) new Big XII logo. Why stay with Big XII if there's no plan to return to 12 (or more)?
    Flexibility. Plus ours was the first conference to reach that number. The Big 12 was the original "super conference." The B1G isn't letting go of the name "Big Ten;" would we really want to call ourselves that anyway?




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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by TXCyclones View Post
    The reason I don't buy into this "B12 Will Not Expand" idea is that they just reworked the logo to the new improved (very ugly) new Big XII logo. Why stay with Big XII if there's no plan to return to 12 (or more)?

    Branding. The title has name recognition.


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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by CYCLNST8 View Post
    Flexibility. Plus ours was the first conference to reach that number. The Big 12 was the original "super conference." The B1G isn't letting go of the name "Big Ten;" would we really want to call ourselves that anyway?
    SEC had 12 before the Big 12 did.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southea...1990_expansion



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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by TXCyclones View Post
    Why stay with Big XII if there's no plan to return to 12 (or more)?
    Likely the same reason that the Big Ten retains it's name with 14 teams...


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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    I was just vacationing in Tampa and Orlando area. I drove through USGF in Tampa and UCF in Orldalando. Those schools are more than commuter schools.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_U...tem_of_Florida

    Florida Gainsville 43% acceptance, 50k students, $500M research
    FSU Tallahassee, 59% acceptance, 40k students, $200M research
    USF Tampa, 60% acceptance, 50k students, $300M research
    UCF Orlando, 45% acceptance, 60k students, $140M research

    These are the four biggies in Florida. They should be in consideration.


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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/f...31d8ac3ce.html

    Might be an interesting read...Aggie slanted I'm sure.


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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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    http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/f...31d8ac3ce.html

    Might be an interesting read...Aggie slanted I'm sure.
    I can't wait for the stories of how ATM got bullied by Texas and how they make out ATM, Nebraska, and Missouri to look like heroes.



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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by CoKane View Post
    I can't wait for the stories of how ATM got bullied by Texas and how they make out ATM, Nebraska, and Missouri to look like heroes.
    While representatives from Kansas, KSU, Baylor, and ISU were forced to stand facing the corner and not allowed to make eye contact with anyone.



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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Clay TravisVerified account ‏@ClayTravisBGID By its third year, SEC Network will do more revenue by itself than the entire Big 12 TV deal

    http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...ressive-073014

    Interesting read, not sure what it all means for the future, but he misses the fact that this is all cyclical



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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    Clay TravisVerified account ‏@ClayTravisBGID By its third year, SEC Network will do more revenue by itself than the entire Big 12 TV deal

    http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...ressive-073014

    Interesting read, not sure what it all means for the future, but he misses the fact that this is all cyclical
    Do more revenue? That doesn't even makes sense. Will the SEC **** more money than the Big 12?


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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    From everything I've read Clay Travis is a moron. Everyone else is not close to his numbers.



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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy View Post
    Clay TravisVerified account ‏@ClayTravisBGID By its third year, SEC Network will do more revenue by itself than the entire Big 12 TV deal

    http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...ressive-073014

    Interesting read, not sure what it all means for the future, but he misses the fact that this is all cyclical
    So $650M per year, minus $100M in costs, and ESPN gets half. So the member schools get $275M/14 or about $20M each. And how much are the Big12 schools getting? Oh right.

    I guess the question is long term how much bigger the revenue will get for the SEC network. Can they get a bigger cut from ESPN, can they raise prices, can they broaden distribution. So there is upside.

    But for the Big12 (or other conferences with more traditional model), there is an upside too. Same demand from CBS, NBC, ESPN et al for games, but less supply. Would drive up the price of media contracts I'd think. SO I see upside here too maybe.

    Am I missing something? I don't see how this is a huge game changer for the schools or programs, but maybe for the balance of power with ESPN and distribution.



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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by CascadeClone View Post
    So $650M per year, minus $100M in costs, and ESPN gets half. So the member schools get $275M/14 or about $20M each. And how much are the Big12 schools getting? Oh right.

    I guess the question is long term how much bigger the revenue will get for the SEC network. Can they get a bigger cut from ESPN, can they raise prices, can they broaden distribution. So there is upside.

    But for the Big12 (or other conferences with more traditional model), there is an upside too. Same demand from CBS, NBC, ESPN et al for games, but less supply. Would drive up the price of media contracts I'd think. SO I see upside here too maybe.

    Am I missing something? I don't see how this is a huge game changer for the schools or programs, but maybe for the balance of power with ESPN and distribution.
    SEC network is only 3rd tier rights. It will be incremental revenue for the schools. Adding in the revenue they already get in their deals with ESPN and CBS, and you're looking at $40mil per school. Or so the estimates say.



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    Re: ***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

    Quote Originally Posted by CoKane View Post
    I can't wait for the stories of how ATM got bullied by Texas and how they make out ATM, Nebraska, and Missouri to look like heroes.
    Nebraska was the leader in pushing for an unequal deal until they realized Texas would always be bigger, then they did a total 180 and were happy getting the same cut as Northwestern. Left the instability they were a leading cause of.



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