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    Dogus Balbay

    Saw this link on CR, had seen his name mentioned before in discussions about the Lucca situation. He is a freshman at Texas that has been in the news because he hurt his knee recently, the interesting part is that he played on a pro team in Europe then went to Brewster Academy and now is at Texas. And we aren't talking about a situation like Lucca were two players got too much compensation but an actual pro team.

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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    Quote Originally Posted by HGPuck View Post
    Saw this link on CR, had seen his name mentioned before in discussions about the Lucca situation. He is a freshman at Texas that has been in the news because he hurt his knee recently, the interesting part is that he played on a pro team in Europe then went to Brewster Academy and now is at Texas. And we aren't talking about a situation like Lucca were two players got too much compensation but an actual pro team.

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    Another good find! E-mail the info to Myles Brand at the NCAA, I say!



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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    Here is the latest about his knee injury. He may miss the season because of it.


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    Hopefully a reporter will ask Rick Barnes if he reported Balbay's experience with a pro team to the NCAA like ISU did Lucca's experience with a club team. The answer must be no or this reaches new levels of NCAA hypocrisy.



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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    As I understand the process any foreign player has to file his past experiences to the NCAA and be "certified", this is how the Lucca situation started I believe. So they question is if Balbay either did not include this or should we be even more upset with the NCAA.


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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    What is the exact rule? Does someone have a transcript of the rule?

    Perhaps the Texas player gets a pass because he already sat out from playing in the NCAA by playing one year at Brewster.



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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    I don't have the exact rule, but Brewster is a prep school and Lucca was at a prep school last year as well I believe.


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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    NCAA Divisions I and II Amateurism Certification – Sample Amateurism Questionnaire


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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    I really hope someone (preferably in the media) will investigate this further. Call Balbay, Barnes and the NCAA and ask some tough questions. What is the difference between Balbay's situation and Staiger's situation? Based on what we know, the former played for a European pro team, then played one year at a USA prep school and now gets to play immediately at Texas. The latter played for a European club team, then played one year at a USA high school and now cannot play at ISU for one year. Something is very wrong here.



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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    Quote Originally Posted by StLouisClone View Post
    I really hope someone (preferably in the media) will investigate this further. Call Balbay, Barnes and the NCAA and ask some tough questions. What is the difference between Balbay's situation and Staiger's situation? Based on what we know, the former played for a European pro team, then played one year at a USA prep school and now gets to play immediately at Texas. The latter played for a European club team, then played one year at a USA high school and now cannot play at ISU for one year. Something is very wrong here.
    Amen. Unlike OU or USC football, this seems to be a very analogous situation, and the NCAA should have to justify the disparate treatment.



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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    The issue at hand is that prior to 2007, the university compliance and students were responsible for identifying this to the NCAA. YEAH RIGHT!!!!

    The NCAA saw this is as not being effective so they created this new group. Now they have a clearinghouse to ensure everyone is enforcing the rules.

    Aside from that, this is still a clear violation of NCAA rules that establish a players ametuer status. This guy should clearly be seen as a professional. As such under the guidelines set forth by the Staiger ruling, any player that has played a game with him should lose 1 year of elegibility. So, if this kid plays in a game, the entire Texas Basketball Team should lose a year - period!!!!

    Should be interesting to see how the NCAA handles these retroactive cases. Gonna be a bunch of double standards you can bet on it!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by KMAC_ATTACK View Post
    The issue at hand is that prior to 2007, the university compliance and students were responsible for identifying this to the NCAA. YEAH RIGHT!!!!

    The NCAA saw this is as not being effective so they created this new group. Now they have a clearinghouse to ensure everyone is enforcing the rules.

    Aside from that, this is still a clear violation of NCAA rules that establish a players ametuer status. This guy should clearly be seen as a professional. As such under the guidelines set forth by the Staiger ruling, any player that has played a game with him should lose 1 year of elegibility. So, if this kid plays in a game, the entire Texas Basketball Team should lose a year - period!!!!

    Should be interesting to see how the NCAA handles these retroactive cases. Gonna be a bunch of double standards you can bet on it!!!!!
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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    The situations are slightly different. By that I mean this. ( If I understand the rule correctly), the penelty for this is basically a 1 for 1 penalty, by that I mean for each game he played he can get a 1 game suspension. Balbay only played in six games over a two year period which means he would at the most get a 6 game suspension. While Lucca played every game for three years on his club team so basically the NCAA could have suspended him for three years, but the cap on the penalty is one year which is what the NCAA decided on. So Balbay at most should get a six game suspension. But the interesting thing is the payroll or operating expenses for the two teams, 15 mil a year for the team balbay played for, and 120k a year for the team Lucca played for. The two players in question on Lucca's team made 4k as a stipend that is all. What a crock, but Balbay would at most lose 6 games. Will it happen who knows, but there penalty's would be different, or could be different.



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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    Should we send this guy in for the appeal process.



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    Re: Dogus Balbay

    Quote Originally Posted by Jnecker4cy View Post
    The situations are slightly different. By that I mean this. ( If I understand the rule correctly), the penelty for this is basically a 1 for 1 penalty, by that I mean for each game he played he can get a 1 game suspension. Balbay only played in six games over a two year period which means he would at the most get a 6 game suspension. While Lucca played every game for three years on his club team so basically the NCAA could have suspended him for three years, but the cap on the penalty is one year which is what the NCAA decided on. So Balbay at most should get a six game suspension. But the interesting thing is the payroll or operating expenses for the two teams, 15 mil a year for the team balbay played for, and 120k a year for the team Lucca played for. The two players in question on Lucca's team made 4k as a stipend that is all. What a crock, but Balbay would at most lose 6 games. Will it happen who knows, but there penalty's would be different, or could be different.
    That's an excellent explanation, and it fits what I already knew, but one thing doesn't make sense to me in this. Is one year really all they can suspend someone for playing professionally?

    If Kobe Bryant decided tomorrow he's tired of the NBA and wants to play college ball, would he only be suspended for one year, then have 3 years eligibility left (assuming he's never enrolled at a college)? My instinct says that there would have to be some other rule at play here...



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