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    Staiger and OU Football

    The facts we know are:

    #1. Stagier played on a team who had 2 players that were being paid.

    #2. OU last year had 2 football players that were being paid illegally through a bogus job at a car dealership.


    So why did the entire OU football team not get suspended last year for playing on a team of "professionals?"



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Do not pay any attention to the man behind the BS curtain. If he likes you he will let you proceed.



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Because OU didn't pay the players.



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCyed View Post
    Because OU didn't pay the players.
    I guess that I missed that ISU had boosters in Germany that were paying the kids that Lucca played with...because there is no doubt in my mind that is EXACTLY what happened in OU's case.


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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Quote Originally Posted by jmb View Post
    I guess that I missed that ISU had boosters in Germany that were paying the kids that Lucca played with...because there is no doubt in my mind that is EXACTLY what happened in OU's case.
    I believe it is.



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCyed View Post
    Because OU didn't pay the players.
    That seems to be the reason. The determination they are trying to make is whether or not the team is professional. In that sense, players being paid by the team is a better indication of professionalism than players being paid against team policy by a third party (even though it appear that the unofficial team policy was otherwise).

    What makes the situation truly absurd is that those who knowingly break well defined rules, such as taking contributions from boosters, get a slap on the wrist while those who attempted to stay within the rules and happened to be on a team that was at best marginally professional are getting slammed with the loss of a year of eligibility.



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Because we are Iowa State and the nation, media, and NCAA love to keep us down.


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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Quote Originally Posted by CrossCyed View Post
    Because OU didn't pay the players.
    The comparison is simple......

    Someone on Luccas team received benefits, not sure how much or who it came from, but, they received payments.

    At OU, two players received payment - regardless of who it came from or how they got it, why should it matter....

    This whole situation is about semantics...twisting or changing words but, the meaning is still the same.....regardless of who or how, players received illegal compensation....

    The issue at hand is, imo, OU's transgressions were more serious because the players in question actually received the compensation....Lucca never actually received anything, but, because someone else on his team did, its a violation. Therefore under the lucca rule, if handled in a similar manner, the entire OU football team would/should lose a year of eligability.

    It would be interesting if this had happened this year, but, i'm sure there's a loophole to cover the A#&es of these big progams that have boosters that support the NCAA in many ways that would not be pleased to see they're respective teams on probation or post season ban....



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    I've heard at least 10 sounds amazing arguments of either proving Lucca's innocence or proving NCAA bias. I wish people on the NCAA could hear all of these.


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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Quote Originally Posted by KMAC_ATTACK View Post
    This whole situation is about semantics...twisting or changing words but, the meaning is still the same.....regardless of who or how, players received illegal compensation...
    I believe the compensation Lucca's former teammates received was not "illegal." - Essentailly the club team "paid" a couple ringers to join the the team, to be more competitive with older club teams, which is pretty common from my understanding. The "benefits" these ringers received I believe just barely eclipsed what the NCAA considers too much.

    Lucca getting tied into this is the biggest screw job we've encountered yet, IMO.



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Quote Originally Posted by KMAC_ATTACK View Post
    The comparison is simple......

    Someone on Luccas team received benefits, not sure how much or who it came from, but, they received payments.

    At OU, two players received payment - regardless of who it came from or how they got it, why should it matter....
    The distinction can be made in that Lucca's teammates were paid by the team, while the OU players were not.

    This whole situation is about semantics...twisting or changing words but, the meaning is still the same.....regardless of who or how, players received illegal compensation...
    Illegal in the sense that it would violate NCAA rules. I can see a big distinction in that OU is an organization governed by the NCAA, while German club teams are not. To me that suggests that the OU violations would be more egregious though.

    The issue at hand is, imo, OU's transgressions were more serious because the players in question actually received the compensation....
    I, and I think just about anyone who is not some NCAA schmuck would agree with this sentiment.



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Quote Originally Posted by KMAC_ATTACK View Post
    The comparison is simple......

    Someone on Luccas team received benefits, not sure how much or who it came from, but, they received payments.

    At OU, two players received payment - regardless of who it came from or how they got it, why should it matter....

    This whole situation is about semantics...twisting or changing words but, the meaning is still the same.....regardless of who or how, players received illegal compensation....
    This is not a question of illegal compensation, it is a question of whether a team is considered professional.

    • OU did not pay players, hence the NCAA does not consider it a professional team.
    • The German team pays players, hence the NCAA considers it a professional team.


    Who pays is not only relevant, it is the key question.

    The NCAA penalty is still BS, but these analogies to college teams that cheat are completely off the mark.

    The issue at hand is, imo, OU's transgressions were more serious because the players in question actually received the compensation....Lucca never actually received anything, but, because someone else on his team did, its a violation. Therefore under the lucca rule, if handled in a similar manner, the entire OU football team would/should lose a year of eligability.
    I agree tha OU's transgression was more serious. It just has no similarities to Lucca's case.



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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    Yeah, I wasn't trying to defend the actions, but that's why.


    Last edited by CrossCyed; 10-29-2007 at 12:34 PM. Reason: typo

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    Re: Staiger and OU Football

    This may be a small point, but how much money was paid (if known) and what is the Maginault Line in the Sand for the NCAA (zero dollars?).

    I would like to know if you are paid a nickel, you can lose a year of eligibility. I am sure that NCAA knows he will probably go pro. NCAA is just a bunch of old fogey lawyers. Like Beans(o) Cook on the bad side.


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