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    Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    I might of missed something here, but do you guys remember the play where Reesing's arm was hit, and while his arm was moving forward at the time, the pass went backward about three or four yards. The A&M player never touched the ball, just Reesing's arm. Why is it not considered a lateral?



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    I think it was because his arm was moving forward, and it just kinda slipped out. But that is the first thing I thought too.


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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Arm moving forward = pass attempt.



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    That is the rule, but it doesn't make sense to me. If the ball goes backward, it should be a live ball, in my opinion.



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002 View Post
    Arm moving forward = pass attempt.
    Just because his arm moves forward doesn't mean it's a forward pass. I'm not sure that's an adequate explanation.



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Just because his arm moves forward doesn't mean it's a forward pass. I'm not sure that's an adequate explanation.
    Sigh. If his arm is moving forward in a throwing motion, it is a forward pass, no matter if the ball is knocked away or not. Better?



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002 View Post
    Sigh. If his arm is moving forward in a throwing motion, it is a forward pass, no matter if the ball is knocked away or not. Better?
    what if he is throwing it backwards?



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002 View Post
    Sigh. If his arm is moving forward in a throwing motion, it is a forward pass, no matter if the ball is knocked away or not. Better?
    So by your explanation, when you throw a ball to a WR who is a yard back of the QB, the qb's arm doesn't move forward?

    I couldn't believe it wasn't ruled a backwards pass, a fumble and a subsequent TD by aTm.



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by vanillathrilla View Post
    So by your explanation, when you throw a ball to a WR who is a yard back of the QB, the qb's arm doesn't move forward?
    Does it move forward down the field of play? Nope.



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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Just because his arm moves forward doesn't mean it's a forward pass. I'm not sure that's an adequate explanation.
    If the ball is knocked out, then you can't ***PROVE*** that the pass WOULD HAVE GONE backwards. Therefore, by rule, if the arm is "moving forward" (which is specifically in relative relation to the qb's BODY, not the FIELD) it is a forward pass. Otherwise you can extend the logic to say that a pass which is batted down in the air and subsequently lands behind the qb (in relation to field position) transforms into a lateral . . .

    No I'm not quoting anything official. That seems to be the most likely logical explanation.

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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    I have no doubt that that was a fumble. The ball wasn't deflected but yet went backward. That means at the release point his arm was going backward.

    Result? Fumble.


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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Being at the game, I'll admit I thought it should have been a turnover, but never saw a replay of it to see if was a forward pass or not. The sad part is A&M then had to take a timeout because the guy that recovered it was "hanging out" in the end zone. They could have used that timeout later in the game. Regardless...

    ARTICLE 2. a. A forward pass is determined by the point where the ball
    first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything beyond the spot
    of the pass. All other passes are backward passes. When in question, it is
    a forward pass rather than a backward pass when thrown in or behind the
    neutral zone.
    b. When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the
    neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts the
    forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward
    movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass
    is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R.
    2-19-2-I).
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    Re: Rules Question (KU-A&M Game)

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneAggie View Post
    Being at the game, I'll admit I thought it should have been a turnover, but never saw a replay of it to see if was a forward pass or not. The sad part is A&M then had to take a timeout because the guy that recovered it was "hanging out" in the end zone. They could have used that timeout later in the game. Regardless...



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