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    Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    If you are a Phil Steele junky like me, he has his All-Big 12 teams posted:

    http://www.philsteele.com/Pdf/2012Pr.../All-Big12.pdf

    ISU Highlights:

    Klein/Knott - 1st Team
    Jake McDonough - 2nd Team
    James White - 3rd Team
    Tom Farniok - 4th Team
    Kurt Hammerschmidt - 4th Team
    Kirby Van Der Kamp - 4th Team


    Last edited by cycloneworld; 05-23-2012 at 10:12 AM.

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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    Whoa whoa whoa... Kirby, 4th team? List irrelevant



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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    I do think Kirby deserves more respect for his abilities. But, the rest of it is respectable. I'll give him some slack for misevaluating punters.



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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    Is Lockett really that good of a kick returner? I thought sure Justin Gilbert would top that list considering he is by far the most dangerous return man in the conference.



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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by KFitzy87 View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa... Kirby, 4th team? List irrelevant
    Actually, just taking a quick look at the stats, he's got the 3rd highest average and had the most punts for 2011. What that doesn't take into account is how many times he pinned teams inside the 20. At best, I'd probably place him 3rd team. But then again, I don't get paid to make the evaluations.



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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by brett108 View Post
    Is Lockett really that good of a kick returner? I thought sure Justin Gilbert would top that list considering he is by far the most dangerous return man in the conference.
    Wow. Bold words given what Tavon Austin did last year. I guess we'll see.



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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    With punter stats the two most telling attributes can often be fighting against each other and like many other areas of football stats there are 1,000 other variables that come in to play.

    Punters are most often evaluated on average punt and punts inside the 20...I've always thought that punters should be judged on the % of field they cover with a punt to find the best of both worlds. If a punter is always kicking from the inside the 50 they'll never be able to have a "booming" average. If they are always kicking from their own goal line they can't pin too many teams deep.

    It would be interesting to track it as punt distance / available punt yards for a season.




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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    Quote Originally Posted by KFitzy87 View Post
    Whoa whoa whoa... Kirby, 4th team? List irrelevant
    If we had a rational basis for how we viewed these things, then we would be going for it on 4th down almost every time like that high school team in Arkansas.



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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    Must be the Canadian Big 12.



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    Re: Phil Steele's All-Big 12 Teams

    Personally I'm psyched to see Farniok get 4th team going into his RS soph year. Pretty awesome for him to see him get some recognition after a really solid frosh season.

    A little surprised by Hammer being on there.



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