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    When Cultures Collide...

    This may come off as an odd post, but I am finding that it is very difficult for me to post in an audience-acceptable manner, on this forum. Being 43, conservative and a devotee to the discipline of warfighting, I am coming to realize that things I am saying and the way that I say them are not acceptable to younger, more liberal and sensitive folks.

    The culture I live and work in finds it acceptable or is required to discuss violent, and otherwise unsavory topics, in often violent and unsavory ways. (Just last night, during a 2.5 hour meeting, various co-workers, to include boss/subordinates, people jokingly (and sometimes not so jokingly) called each other names using very rough language, and this morning it's still okay between us.

    (The movie view of the authoritarian relationship between superior and subordinate is way off, btw. We had a young lieutenant stand up to a senior colonel and win, last night, in a pretty heated discussion.)

    In the culture I'm from, the guy who tries to "make nice" gets the negative rep.

    I've been tagged by the mods a couple times earlier this year (bans) and a certain discussion I'm involved in, currently, has been edited heavily. I STILL don't understand why I was tagged the first couple of times, and the edited post, I "guess" I know the reason, but I can look at other posts by both myself and others and not see what "line" I crossed.

    I guess the bottom line is, if I get banned once more, I'm gone, and want to say good-bye before that. I'm also interested in reading what others think about this "clash of cultures" thing.


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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    I don't know much of what you are getting at in terms of "problem" threads, but you have crossed no lines with me or in any threads I personally have read. Respectful disagreement is healthy, IMO.

    That being said, the forum rules are the forum rules, and it is up to the mods to enforce them as they are interpreted.

    As for the "clash of cultures", I have always been one that says, "To each his/her own" and I respect opinions even if I wholeheartedly disagree with them.

    Here's to hoping you don't get banned...


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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    Quote Originally Posted by herbiedoobie View Post
    This may come off as an odd post, but I am finding that it is very difficult for me to post in an audience-acceptable manner, on this forum. Being 43, conservative and a devotee to the discipline of warfighting, I am coming to realize that things I am saying and the way that I say them are not acceptable to younger, more liberal and sensitive folks.

    The culture I live and work in finds it acceptable or is required to discuss violent, and otherwise unsavory topics, in often violent and unsavory ways. (Just last night, during a 2.5 hour meeting, various co-workers, to include boss/subordinates, people jokingly (and sometimes not so jokingly) called each other names using very rough language, and this morning it's still okay between us.

    (The movie view of the authoritarian relationship between superior and subordinate is way off, btw. We had a young lieutenant stand up to a senior colonel and win, last night, in a pretty heated discussion.)

    In the culture I'm from, the guy who tries to "make nice" gets the negative rep.

    I've been tagged by the mods a couple times earlier this year (bans) and a certain discussion I'm involved in, currently, has been edited heavily. I STILL don't understand why I was tagged the first couple of times, and the edited post, I "guess" I know the reason, but I can look at other posts by both myself and others and not see what "line" I crossed.

    I guess the bottom line is, if I get banned once more, I'm gone, and want to say good-bye before that. I'm also interested in reading what others think about this "clash of cultures" thing.
    Should you decide that the culture of this board is too sensitive for a brute like you, here are some links of interest for the "devotee of the discipline of warfighting".

    Link: Military.com Forums - Powered by eve community

    Link: Milblogging.com: The World's Largest Index of Military Blogs (Milblogs) | Top 100 Favorite Milblogs

    Link: Military Blogs

    In particular, I invite your attention to the Military.com discussion boards where I believe you will find posters with similar personalities and ego.

    And BTW, setting yourself aside as a troubled soul caught up in a clash of cultures might get you some play in an Iowa City bar but I doubt that it is going generate much sympathy around here.


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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    It's really hard to say what I think about that, Herbie, in part because I haven't seen what specifically gets edited from your posts. I think it would be a loss to this board to not have your opinion though.



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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    Don't take your ball and go home....

    Even if we don't like them at times, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. It is good to have a thought provoker around.

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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    Very interesting. I could see how there might be someone in particular who doesn't agree with your feelings or how you present them, and is therfore overzealous. I haven't seen anything warranting what you've said. Hopefully those involved will step up and discuss with you.



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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    I thought I'd chime in here real quick about moderating and certain posts...

    Obviously we have about 20 moderators with about 20 different backgrounds and opinions. We created the forum rules a few months ago to help make sure we all try to moderate according to the same philosophy and not according to our personal opinions and values. Obviously we're all human beings though and we still have to interpret things in our own way.

    As far as the exact nature of what was edited in any of your posts - we as mods absolutely hate to have to do anything to anybody's posts or threads. We like coming to the site to have fun just like everybody else so we only moderate when deemed necessary. I don't know off the top of my head what was edited but it's a moderator rule to send you a PM notice explaining what rule your post may have violated. We do our best to try and let things go but there are times that we have to look out for the best of everybody and sometimes that means editing a post or deleting a thread because of what was said or the way it was stated.

    I personally hope you stay on the site and I understand the frustration you're probably going through. When I first started the site I took things that were said against my opinions very personally until one morning I bumped my head or something and decided that we all have different opinions and I'd just let things go by me without taking it personally.

    There is a fine line between stating an opinion and being offensive and we all have different ideals that we use when determining if something has crossed the line. We have a moderator forum on here that we use to discuss things before they get edited and I'm pretty certain anything would have been discussed before acted upon. I apologize for it seeming as though you're an outcast because I can assure you that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of viewers that have the same opinion as you on any topic. Often times those that agree just won't be as vocal as those that disagree. Again, we don't edit posts for opinions, only because of either personal attacks or for inappropriate material.


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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    Quote Originally Posted by herbiedoobie View Post
    This may come off as an odd post, but I am finding that it is very difficult for me to post in an audience-acceptable manner, on this forum. Being 43, conservative and a devotee to the discipline of warfighting, I am coming to realize that things I am saying and the way that I say them are not acceptable to younger, more liberal and sensitive folks.

    The culture I live and work in finds it acceptable or is required to discuss violent, and otherwise unsavory topics, in often violent and unsavory ways. (Just last night, during a 2.5 hour meeting, various co-workers, to include boss/subordinates, people jokingly (and sometimes not so jokingly) called each other names using very rough language, and this morning it's still okay between us.

    (The movie view of the authoritarian relationship between superior and subordinate is way off, btw. We had a young lieutenant stand up to a senior colonel and win, last night, in a pretty heated discussion.)

    In the culture I'm from, the guy who tries to "make nice" gets the negative rep.

    I've been tagged by the mods a couple times earlier this year (bans) and a certain discussion I'm involved in, currently, has been edited heavily. I STILL don't understand why I was tagged the first couple of times, and the edited post, I "guess" I know the reason, but I can look at other posts by both myself and others and not see what "line" I crossed.

    I guess the bottom line is, if I get banned once more, I'm gone, and want to say good-bye before that. I'm also interested in reading what others think about this "clash of cultures" thing.
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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    No violins. And I'm not going anywhere, until I step on my anatomical parts again, post-wise. Just an observation.


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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    I don't have any idea on what you posted or not - I rarely look at the left side where the screen names are I just read the posts.

    I wonder though - of all the people accusing you of whining (is that violins i hear, etc.) how many of them are the ones too sensitive for what you are getting in trouble for.

    Remember doodle, free speech is only for those who take the liberal line on things. We are all created equal - some are just more equal than others - the average person is to ignorant to think on their own, that is why the left must educate us all.

    If you keep those things in mind, you can get by. sarcasm off.



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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    Herbie, just so you know, I am pretty sure we share a lot of the same beliefs and I agree with a lot of your posts. Stick around



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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    Feeling a bit red?




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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    Quote Originally Posted by herbiedoobie View Post
    I am coming to realize that things I am saying and the way that I say them are not acceptable to younger, more liberal and sensitive folks.
    Hey man, if you say stupid things, people are going to call you on it. If people disagree with you, they're going to argue their points. It doesn't mean you hurt anybody's feelings. /shrug



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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    All I have to say is that tolerance is a two way street.

    I'm nearly impossible to offend. I tolerate people who are easily offended, even though it really offends me that they are so "offensible", and I expect them to occasionally tolerate something a little out of their comfort zone.

    At any rate, getting worked up over anything other than cyclone crap on a cyclone message board is pretty stupid in the first place, IMO.




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    Re: When Cultures Collide...

    I think I have been involved in at least two of those "controversial" threads, so I'll chime in with my 2 cents. I have absolutely no problem with you or your posts. There are a couple of instances where I decided not to respond to you, not because I was offended, but because I thought the discussion might be offensive to others in this forum. Your comment about clash of cultures is right on, and I'm especially concerned that there are many people here that are much, much younger than we are.

    I don’t pretend to fully understand the world that you work in, but I’ve had a few opportunities to observe similar situations, especially through my brother-in-law, who is a senior officer in the Army. I’ll share one story as an example. A few years back they were living on base in APG, and while we were checking in late at night (required for visitors) it became immediately clear that one of the soldiers in the guard room was under the influence. My brother-in-law, who at the time carried the rank that I believe to be your rank, was clearly fuming over this, but he didn’t say anything. We all got back into our cars, we dropped the wifes and kids off at the house, and then I went back with him. He then proceeded to lay into everyone in the room using language that on TV would be translated to bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep …. bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep. My point with the story is that I understand that the language you are using in this forum is way toned down from the language you use in everyday conversation, but since this is a completely open forum (the kids are still here), we should all try to be careful.

    Finally, I hope you stay.



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