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    Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    From an athletic side I think FSU & Clemson coming to the Big 12 makes a lot of sense from a money standpoint.

    But can anyone that actually understands how the system works for colleges getting research $$ fill us in. Do they get a lot more money from being in the ACC vs. a conference such as the Big 12? Or does it depend on that schools reputation and ranking in the particular field they get the research?

    If FSU is getting 10's of millions maybe even 100 million dollars more for research, it isn't happening, but I don't know if thats how it works.

    So if there is any faculty fans or someone that actually knows not just guesses, I would appreciate some education on the subject.



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    They don't get any money for being in a certain conference. Doesn't matter.



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Quote Originally Posted by Clone9 View Post
    They don't get any money for being in a certain conference. Doesn't matter.
    There are partnerships for research projects that conference member schools participate in though. They could lose out that way. But I would imagine there would be similar opportunities in the Big 12



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Research dollars don't have anything to do with athletic conference. (Almost) All the money for research comes from grants, usually from government agencies (NSF, DoE, USDA, etc.) that the faculty apply for themselves. As far as collaboration within a conference, there is nothing to encourage or discourage collaboration with Big 12 institutions, collaborations are forged based on mutual interest and expertise.



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Quote Originally Posted by cytech View Post
    There are partnerships for research projects that conference member schools participate in though. They could lose out that way. But I would imagine there would be similar opportunities in the Big 12
    It's my understanding that this partnership is a much bigger deal for the Big 10 conference than for others. I believe part of the reason the Big 10 conference was started was to make it easier for top researchers from highly regarded universities to work together. That's partly why the University of Chicago is still associated with the conference even though they don't have an athletics program.


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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Quote Originally Posted by MrOtter View Post
    Research dollars don't have anything to do with athletic conference. (Almost) All the money for research comes from grants, usually from government agencies (NSF, DoE, USDA, etc.) that the faculty apply for themselves. As far as collaboration within a conference, there is nothing to encourage or discourage collaboration with Big 12 institutions, collaborations are forged based on mutual interest and expertise.
    Agreed. I've never understood what people talk about when they talk about athletic conferences helping research dollars. I'm at a major research institution with D3 sports and the lab I'm in has our biggest 2 collaborators at Wisconsin and Purdue. The fact they're in the Big 10 has no effect on who they collaborate with or how they're funded.

    It's nice to have conference members with academic prestige and similar missions. However, for the vast majority of competitive national funding sources I don't think conference has any effect.



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Quote Originally Posted by LivntheCyLife View Post
    Agreed. I've never understood what people talk about when they talk about athletic conferences helping research dollars. I'm at a major research institution with D3 sports and the lab I'm in has our biggest 2 collaborators at Wisconsin and Purdue. The fact they're in the Big 10 has no effect on who they collaborate with or how they're funded.

    It's nice to have conference members with academic prestige and similar missions. However, for the vast majority of competitive national funding sources I don't think conference has any effect.



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    I read the FSU president stated their research $$ had grown by 100 million I thought, unless that was grown to $100 million.

    I wonder if being in the ACC helps their building collaborations with the ACC schools that FSU gets to tag along with that they couldn't get on their own. Because if they leave the ACC I'm sure they would not be included in these in the future. The question is could they find enough quality collaborations to continue the research funding.

    Then again the way this federal govt. hands out money like its candy it could be due to continued increased massive spending by our govt.

    If their is not an advantage on the academic research side of the money, FSU would probably make easily 10-12 million more(probably understating) in the Big 12 once the football playoff is figured in. I think its a no-brainer athletically.



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Not sure how much benefit FSU gets from being in the ACC vs other conferences. Most the institutional collaboration in the ACC involves the NC research triangle of Duke/UNC/NCS.

    That said, research $$ absolutely dwarfs athletic money, it is not even close, as it should.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Win5002 View Post
    Then again the way this federal govt. hands out money like its candy...
    No wonder our obeseity rate is pushing 50%.


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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Quote Originally Posted by LivntheCyLife View Post
    Agreed. I've never understood what people talk about when they talk about athletic conferences helping research dollars. I'm at a major research institution with D3 sports and the lab I'm in has our biggest 2 collaborators at Wisconsin and Purdue. The fact they're in the Big 10 has no effect on who they collaborate with or how they're funded.

    It's nice to have conference members with academic prestige and similar missions. However, for the vast majority of competitive national funding sources I don't think conference has any effect.
    Research

    Presumably the CIC (Big 10) does indeed have bearing on research dollars they aquire. Maybe the Big 10 / CIC are unique?


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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    I have worked in research labs in the Big 12, Big 10, ACC, and Ivy League, and I have never heard of any collaboration with another school just for the sake of being in their conference. I really don't think it has any bearing on it whatsoever, with the possible exception of the Big 10 and the CIC or whatever its called. Every grant I have ever heard of is based solely on the quality and resources of that specific university/department/lab and that of their collaborators, which again are not based on athletic conference at all. Yes, research $$$ dramatically dwarfs athletic $$$, but the two are unrelated as far as I can tell. Of course, I work in a specific field and others may be different....but I doubt it.



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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    Quote Originally Posted by weR138 View Post
    Research

    Presumably the CIC (Big 10) does indeed have bearing on research dollars they aquire. Maybe the Big 10 / CIC are unique?
    That site seems like a lot of marketing fluff to me. Look, I'm sure there's some collaborations going on such as organizing libraries across universities and different leadership and networking projects by the CIC. But then the site adds up all the total research dollars the individual universities bring in like the CIC did that.

    The latest story on the "BigScience Newswire" is about metallic glasses research that is a collaboration between Wisconsin and Iowa State!

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    Re: Academic Research $ vs. athletic dept. $

    My brother in law got his PhD at Iowa State in hort (can't remember specifics). He was involved with a big research project that collaborated with some Pac10 schools. Something about rice production, I think.



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