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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    About time. You don't perform at your job, you lose your job.

    I wonder who will do well enough (if anyone) to fill in the role. Maybe they can bring Maine back up?



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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Good. I respect the good years Carlos had, but this is definitely not one of them.


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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    YAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!




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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Long overdue! My question is Sveum mentioning Marmol throwing 0-3 sliders instead of a fastball. Isn't the catcher at just as much fault in that situation?



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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    I'll put away the pitchfork until the new closer blows a save. Then it's on!


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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    As a Reds fan, I have to say this news is highly disappointing.



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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Quote Originally Posted by clone4lyfe View Post
    Long overdue! My question is Sveum mentioning Marmol throwing 0-3 sliders instead of a fastball. Isn't the catcher at just as much fault in that situation?
    1) its 3-0
    2) he might be throwing 3-0 sliders bc his fastball is nowhere near the strike zone, or its flat and getting pounded
    3) if the pitcher doesn't want to throw it, especially a veteran pitcher, he has the right to shake off.
    4) How bout not going 3-0


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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Quote Originally Posted by clone4lyfe View Post
    Long overdue! My question is Sveum mentioning Marmol throwing 0-3 sliders instead of a fastball. Isn't the catcher at just as much fault in that situation?
    If the count is 0-3, than the official scorer and umpire are also to blame.



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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy View Post
    1) its 3-0
    2) he might be throwing 3-0 sliders bc his fastball is nowhere near the strike zone, or its flat and getting pounded
    3) if the pitcher doesn't want to throw it, especially a veteran pitcher, he has the right to shake off.
    4) How bout not going 3-0


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    Agreed. Marmol's slider has always been his most consistant pitch. It's his fastball he can't seem to locate regularly.

    Also, this is exhibit A on why you trade relievers after huge years. They're so unpredicable (unless their name is Mariano Rivera). That's one of the improvements that this new regime has brought to the Cubs. Hendry would never have traded Marshall and would probably have given him a huge extension.



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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Quote Originally Posted by klamath632 View Post
    As a Reds fan, I have to say this news is highly disappointing.
    +1



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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Quote Originally Posted by Clark View Post
    Agreed. Marmol's slider has always been his most consistant pitch. It's his fastball he can't seem to locate regularly.

    Also, this is exhibit A on why you trade relievers after huge years. They're so unpredicable (unless their name is Mariano Rivera). That's one of the improvements that this new regime has brought to the Cubs. Hendry would never have traded Marshall and would probably have given him a huge extension.
    closers, typically, except for Rivera and Hoffman, age poorly. A valuable everyday player or starting pitcher is much more valuable than a closer or set up guy. But for several years, the whole idea wasn't lengthening starters out (like the Rangers have done the last couple years) but was specializing a bullpen and shortening games. Now you have Loogies, and Roogies, and double play men, and long men, and set up and closers and all that does is shorten a bullpen. The team that goes back to developing 6 out relievers will be far ahead of the game. Closers are valuable because mentally losing a game in the 9th is a crucial blow, and a lock down closer is a great asset to have, but they are routinely over valued and over appreciated. A great closer is a privilege to have, but not as valuable as a 3rd starter who can continually get into the 7th inning.

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    Re: It's official: Carlos Marmol out as Cubs' closer

    Well, I wish they would have traded Marmol to the Giants when Wilson went down for the year. Or, alternatively, at any time in his past when he had value.



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