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    What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    Do we have any legal buffs here that can shed light on this?

    How can a coach, without a reasonable cause, prevent an athlete from going to a different school?

    Could a coach hypothetically rule out ALL schools except Univ of Vermont for example?

    This seems like this would be like a non-compete agreement in the business world (which typically arent worth crap). And shouldnt even be that as these are technically non paid athletes, not hired employees.

    Im aware this perfectly legal under NCAA guidelines.....I guess im just surprised this type of issue hasnt been taken to court....everything else is.


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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    It is Ryan's right to not grant the release at all. Uthoff is the one breaking a contract, so he's the one that has to bend.



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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    I think this might raise real questions about the wisdom of signing NLIs as an 18 year old.


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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonehomer View Post
    It is Ryan's right to not grant the release at all. Uthoff is the one breaking a contract, so he's the one that has to bend.
    A contract set massively in the favor of the schools, and pushed on kids barely old enough to sign a contract, is worth adding. Just because its Ryan's right doesnt make it the right thing to do. NCAA needs to reform this to limiting it to just the 1 year sitting for all schools not in conference\on future schedules. That 1 year is enough of a penalty and a coach shouldnt be able to hose a player by further limiting their choice of where to go, especially when that coach could up and leave any time he wanted with zero penalty.



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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    Things that happen in the NCAA don't have to make sense, let alone be legal.



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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    Quote Originally Posted by Clonehomer View Post
    It is Ryan's right to not grant the release at all. Uthoff is the one breaking a contract, so he's the one that has to bend.
    Technically, aren't scholarships awarded on a year-by-year basis (subject to renewal, or lack thereof)? How does a letter of intent bind a student more than accepting it binds the school? A coach can choose to not renew a scholarship for the next year. After the first year, one could say that a student's obligation already matched that of the school's contractual obligation.

    I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see this challenged in court, but in the court of public opinion the school who fusses over it will always lose.




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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    I would assume any paperwork he signs on Day 1 would have said he agrees to any transfer stipulations



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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    I'm curious about this as well...especially since scholarships are renewed annually. Is this verbiage that allows a coach to place restrictions on a players transfer in those scholarship papers or in the initial LOI? Are those even separate documents?




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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    A contract set massively in the favor of the schools, and pushed on kids barely old enough to sign a contract, is worth adding. Just because its Ryan's right doesnt make it the right thing to do. NCAA needs to reform this to limiting it to just the 1 year sitting for all schools not in conference\on future schedules. That 1 year is enough of a penalty and a coach shouldnt be able to hose a player by further limiting their choice of where to go, especially when that coach could up and leave any time he wanted with zero penalty.
    you act like its such a bad thing for a 18 year old to have to commit to get a full scholarship which will save him 60-80k.

    i know many of us would love to not have to worry about paying back our student loans for 10 years if it meant we had to commit to one college for 4 years


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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    hehehehe -- this should be good!!



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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    Quote Originally Posted by khaal53 View Post
    I'm curious about this as well...especially since scholarships are renewed annually. Is this verbiage that allows a coach to place restrictions on a players transfer in those scholarship papers or in the initial LOI? Are those even separate documents?

    And factor in if a kid gets injured...the school does not have to renew this "contract". Im not questioning the ability to restrict conf and upcoming opponents....its those that are NOT in that group im questioning the legality of.

    Again...this doesnt seem to help the student athlete which the NCAA is supposedly all about. Helps Bo Ryan....not the kid.



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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    Quote Originally Posted by TallKidIsTall View Post
    you act like its such a bad thing for a 18 year old to have to commit to get a full scholarship which will save him 60-80k.

    i know many of us would love to not have to worry about paying back our student loans for 10 years if it meant we had to commit to one college for 4 years
    Coaches don't make the same commitment to the school, fans, or kids. I'm all for levelling things out reasonably.


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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    The restriction only keeps the player from getting an athletic scholarship at the restricted school for one year. That means that if Uthoff wanted to transfer to ISU he could but he would have to sit out one year and have to pay for a year at ISU by himself but after that ISU would be free to give him a scholarship. At least that is how I understand it.

    The NLI is only good for one year and so are the scholarship agreements. He has already signed a scholarship agreement for next year and that is the reason that they can restrict him. I imagine they probably make them sign them very early on.

    I think if Uthoff really wants to go to one of the schools on his list he should just go to Junior College for a year and then play wherever he wants. Additionally it would he would get some actual game time instead of just practicing for a year.

    There is most likely not really any legal grounds to challenge it. A kid has other options he can pursue and the restricted school could give him a scholarship but then the would probably be violating NCAA rules and they would penalize them in some way.


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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    The way things are right now works except for coaches being able to limit the player going to schools that they don't play in the future. That should be the limit and also if the coach can lay claim to tampering. You should not be able to limit a kid going to lets say the second school in the recruiting battle if that school is not currently on your future schedule.

    Athletes need to have some sort of detrimental consequence otherwise you would see kids all the time who become studs at a small school transferring to the larger schools and being able to play the next year or follow coaches around like in wrestling.



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    Re: What's the legality of this Uthoff case?

    the simple answer is to go to a JUCO!
    It would save him money and he could play




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