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    Trim the Fat...

    I have heard over and over about how Tom Herman's system is still in place only trimmed down. Makes me a little nervous some of the gadget plays like the reverse pass to Money and wheel-route to White might be trimmed out. Those were huge plays for us last year! I've heard how good a slimmed down version will be because of less thinking and more reacting but will the trimmed version reduce some of those gadget plays?!? Anyone have any insight to what everyone means by saying a 'slimmed down' playbook?



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    That's really your worry? That we won't run enough trick plays?



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    yeah CPR hates trick plays



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    lol wow. trimming the fat of a playbook does not mean cutting out trick plays. every team will always have trick plays of some sort because trick plays work.



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    Also, if the plays work then I would think they are by definition not "fat."



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    I get the feeling Coach Rhoads likes those gadget plays too much to just throw them away. To me slimming down means a more general playbook instead of very specific plays that differ very little from one another.



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    The way I understood it was they simplified the playbook by making each term mean fewer things, probably one.

    So if a player gets the call and "X" means one thing but in the next play call "X" means something different, depending on formation or scenario or run/pass. Similar, but different.

    In the "new" system, I think it would be that "X" means "X" regardless of situation. Less thinking and decoding, more focus on the play at hand. Just what I interpreted "slimming the playbook" to mean.

    And I would think 'gadget' plays are here to stay. Every team has them. I wouldn't even really call the wheel against Okie State to be a real gadget/trick play, just a great read by the RB waiting until the LB dropped off to the other side before making his move.



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    I don't have any first hand knowledge but I was kind of assuming it meant that there might still be the same X number of plays, but instead of running each of those plays out of 4 or 5 different formations they are each run out of one or two. That would quickly simplify things by multiple factors without limiting the diversity of plays. Defenses might just have a tiny bit higher chance of sniffing out a particular play.


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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    Quote Originally Posted by clone2011 View Post
    The way I understood it was they simplified the playbook by making each term mean fewer things, probably one.

    So if a player gets the call and "X" means one thing but in the next play call "X" means something different, depending on formation or scenario or run/pass. Similar, but different.

    In the "new" system, I think it would be that "X" means "X" regardless of situation. Less thinking and decoding, more focus on the play at hand. Just what I interpreted "slimming the playbook" to mean.

    And I would think 'gadget' plays are here to stay. Every team has them. I wouldn't even really call the wheel against Okie State to be a real gadget/trick play, just a great read by the RB waiting until the LB dropped off to the other side before making his move.
    Agreed, just a good read by JB. I thought I read in one of CW's interviews pieces with Pope that they are going to try and utilize plays like this even more due the athleticism advantage when LBs cover our running backs. He wants the ball in the hands of our backs more often in general this coming year.



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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    I would guess trimming down the playbook means less verbage and less if/when scenarios, which would mean less thinking and more reacting, which is good.


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    Re: Trim the Fat...

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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    OC CM is the guy who draws up the trick plays on special teams. And those plays typically work. We'll see some damn good gadet plays this fall on offense.

    I always envisioned a ton of complicated X's and O's floating around in the air near Captain Mensa's head, as he was hell bent on outsmarting the defense, and sometimes himself as well. I wouldn't be surprised if trimming down the playbook and simplifying things helps the offense.

    Trimming it down also works well with eyebrows and chest hair...among other places.


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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    We are going to run a fewer plays to improve execution. Herman would get into a rhythm running the ball then immediately start throwing or vice versa. Instead of always trying to trick the defense I think the emphasis is going to be execution so it does not matter if they expect it or not it will work. I am excited to see how it works.


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    Re: Trim the Fat...

    Interviews with the quarterbacks have shown they are more comfortable with mess than herman and prefer him. They say he is a better teacher and explains his rationale better than TH. I can see replacing TH with Mess as a positive step, if the results show on the field.



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