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    The Tackiest Play In Football

    I posted this in Pro sports because I personally have seen it happen more in the NFL, but I am sure it happens in the NCAA as well...Calling a timeout a milli-second before it being snapped so that the kicker's first kick try doesn't count and has to kick it again. It's a stupid rule and it NEEDS to be changed.

    I am not against "icing" a kicker, but I believe once all the players are down and "set" - ready to snap the ball, that the defensive team shouldn't be able to call timeout. If they want to call a timeout before the players are set and ready FINE, but none of this silly, cheap timeouts so the kicker has to kick twice. Anyone with me?


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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    I completely agree with you. In fact, before I even opened up the thread, from reading the title 'tackiet play in football', i was thinking to myself, I bet it's about calling a timeout right before the kick.

    This just seems ridiculous to me and I consider it bush.



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Ya, I am an Oakland Raiders fan, and they lost to the Broncos on a play like this. I was mad. But then the next week, the Raiders won on the same type of play. But overall, I hate this play too.



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    I have to agree with you on this one. Its pretty cheap. Is there a rule in NCAA that doesn't allow you to do something like that Iowa could have done it to Shaggy if they had wanted to.


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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    this was discussed in depth on espn and every sports radio show out there for the last two weeks (ever since the Cowboys kicker hit the two 54 yarders). I'm not sure why its even a topic at this point? everybody agrees and doesn't like it - the NFL has already said their looking into changing it this offseason (no in season rule changes).

    that said, what's tacky about playing within the rules?



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Quote Originally Posted by clones_jer View Post
    that said, what's tacky about playing within the rules?
    although technically within the rules, it's not exactly kosher. my thought process is that's not what was intended. i don't think when the rules of football were decided that a timeout was intended to be able to be called a split second before the ball is snapped causing a kicker to have to rekick.



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were a player on the field calling the timeout. I don't like the coach doing it though.


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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Quote Originally Posted by Dormeezy View Post
    although technically within the rules, it's not exactly kosher. my thought process is that's not what was intended. i don't think when the rules of football were decided that a timeout was intended to be able to be called a split second before the ball is snapped causing a kicker to have to rekick.
    The only reason the "three seconds in the lane" became against the rules of bball was because George Mikan was killing everybody ... but I wouldn't say it was "tacky" for him to keep standing in there until they created the rule.

    I the environment of the current NFL where a quarter of the coaches lose their jobs every year I don't blame any coach for trying to win using any means necessary within the rules. Fans expect great things with very limited time - they can't worry about looking pretty.

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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Umm, you can call a timeout on either side of the ball - offense or defense, up to the point that ball is snapped. Correct?

    Why should it be any different on field goals?

    Should you not be allowed to ice a free throw shooter in basketball as well?

    I do agree that it should be a player on the field and not a coach, however.



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    I may be in the minority but I really don't mind this. I DO think they should make a player on the field call the timeout rather than a coach that pulls a ref aside. I don't really see how you can regulate this one. How many seconds before a snap are off limits for timeouts? How do you know when a snap is going to happen? Can't a team get set quickly to keep the other coach from using a timeout? This is no different than the age old pastime of icing the kicker, and almost every kicker I've heard talk about being "iced" says it rarely affects them anyways.



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Quote Originally Posted by cmoneyr View Post
    I may be in the minority but I really don't mind this. I DO think they should make a player on the field call the timeout rather than a coach that pulls a ref aside. I don't really see how you can regulate this one. How many seconds before a snap are off limits for timeouts? How do you know when a snap is going to happen? Can't a team get set quickly to keep the other coach from using a timeout? This is no different than the age old pastime of icing the kicker, and almost every kicker I've heard talk about being "iced" says it rarely affects them anyways.
    Exactly, it would be impossible to enforce a rule against this practice... The kicking team has more then enough opprotunity to combat this but they always seem to choose to wait untill the play clock runs down... What if the defense NEEDS a timeout because they don't have the right personnel on the field?



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Would they only change it on kicks, or include it on any play? While it does seem tacky to do it, I don't see it as a big problem and it is in the rules so why not. But I would say that it will get changed for next year some how.


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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyMac View Post
    Should you not be allowed to ice a free throw shooter in basketball as well?
    Don't you think that's probably the reason why you can't call a timeout after the ball is given to the shooter?



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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Quote Originally Posted by mwitt View Post
    Don't you think that's probably the reason why you can't call a timeout after the ball is given to the shooter?

    Yeaahhh, and it's ALSO the reason you can't call a timeout after the ball is snapped....




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    Re: The Tackiest Play In Football

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyMac View Post
    Yeaahhh, and it's ALSO the reason you can't call a timeout after the ball is snapped....

    I'm not talking call the timeout mid-shot, which is the equivalent to what they're trying to do in football. Your free throw analogy is like saying that they can't call a timeout in football once the center touches the ball and the offensive line gets in their stance. A free throw shooter has a 10 second "play clock" after getting the ball.



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