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    So how is Fred doing?

    Just for fun, I thought I would look at how FH's first 2 years record compared to the last few ISU coaches.

    Maury John
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    Ken Trickey
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    Lynn Nance
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    Johnny Orr
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    Tim Floyd
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    Larry Eustachy
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    Wayne Morgan
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    Greg McDermott
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    Fred Hoiberg
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    Some things that I think are interesting.....notice the jump in games played from Orr's first two years to Floyd's first two years. Also, it is really hard for me to accept that Lynn Nance had a better first 2 year record than did Johnny. Oh well.

    I also think it shows just how good LE and Floyd were, but it also shows how important it is to keep a squad and recruits intact when there is a coaching change. Floyd, LE and Morgan did not lose many players between the coaching changes.....with Floyd and LE, probably mainly because their departures were both sudden. With Morgan, I think he kept LE's because the players were familiar with him.

    So, right now FH is pretty even with Morgan, but I think his success so far is even more remarkable considering the program he inherited from McDermott. Maybe this transfer idea was not such a bad idea after all, for any doubters out there.


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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    I'd say his record in his first two years is the most impressive, considering the state of the program when each coach took over.

    Obviously LE and TF and even Morgan to an extent inherited a pretty good program. Fred didn't get much help to start.



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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    It was all Lutz.



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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    it was never worse than when nance took over........ KT was a complete clusterF



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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by farminclone View Post
    I'd say his record in his first two years is the most impressive, considering the state of the program when each coach took over.

    Obviously LE and TF and even Morgan to an extent inherited a pretty good program. Fred didn't get much help to start.


    Is there any coach in NCAA history who has used transfers as effectively as Hoiberg? He may have introduced huge changes in college basketball.

    First, he has shown the power of an NBA star with front office connections to recruit effectively. How long until we see more "inexperienced, but connected" coaches like him?

    Second, he has significantly ramped up the NCAA as marketplace for transfers. Lots of teams have improved with the additional of a few high profile transfers, but has anyone ever built a team around transfers?



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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cycsk View Post
    Is there any coach in NCAA history who has used transfers as effectively as Hoiberg? He may have introduced huge changes in college basketball.

    First, he has shown the power of an NBA star with front office connections to recruit effectively. How long until we see more "inexperienced, but connected" coaches like him?

    Second, he has significantly ramped up the NCAA as marketplace for transfers. Lots of teams have improved with the additional of a few high profile transfers, but has anyone ever built a team around transfers?
    Has anyone ever had to the way Fred had to?


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    Re:So how is Fred doing?

    Weren't all of our guards transfers in the LE era?? Tinsley, Horton, Nurse?



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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    A+++++



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    ..... don't **** with Ken Trickey....


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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    Orr took over a bad situation. That coincided with the Big 8 getting really strong in basketball while he was trying to get it going.



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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    good.


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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by bs1984 View Post
    Weren't all of our guards transfers in the LE era?? Tinsley, Horton, Nurse?
    I thought Nurse came in from Juco. He played in LE's first year here. Tinsley was Juco. Horton was a transfer that could have played spring semester of LE's first year, but LE held him out so his two years could be put to better use.



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    Re: So how is Fred doing?

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    It was all Lutz.
    I saw Bobby Lutz with NC State last night against Kansas. He still has the mop top like the young Beatles.


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