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    Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    Okay, before I start, this post is not meant, nor intended to be a slam on the student section nor season ticket holders. It has been a great season, the student section has done great and really shown up.

    We all know that rarely does sold out mean every seat is filled. This has always been the case on how counts are reported.

    Combine this with the large number of student season tickets sold, that are hard to transfer, and you will have open areas. It happens to every school.

    It is in every section, but it just shows up more now that we are fuller everywhere.
    However, today, it became more than abstract, when I got confirmation that we had at least 300 or more open seats. This is an interesting number on a sell out.

    How do I know? After the game I talked with 2 young ladies who picked up over 300 ISU Cyclones signs (the ISU Cellular ones) off of only the empty open seats in the second half of the game.

    (As a side note, as I understand it, at least the signs will go to good use to wallpaper a Hawk teachers classroom for an April fools statement)

    Again, just an observation, not a complaint in any way. The AD needs to find a better way to improve this as it seems right now students cannot very easily trade or sell their tickets and at the price they pay they should not have to go though any more hoops than any other season ticket holder.

    The department has and needs the revenue, but I hope they brainstorm on how they can make it better for all.


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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Fille

    No student wants to sit up there.



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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    That is only 2% of the seats in HC. ISU has a place where you can go and sell the tickets you dont want.


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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Fille

    Quote Originally Posted by Goothrey View Post
    No student wants to sit up there.
    This.

    This is SO true that a lot of students will "double-up" on chairs in Cyclone Alley. The staff doesn't keep track of how many people they let in down there so a lot of times there's more people in CA than seats. The bigger the game the more crowded it gets.

    Not sure if this is still the case but I remember just a few years ago coming witha group of 10 and cramming into about 8 seats.



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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Fille

    Quote Originally Posted by Goothrey View Post
    No student wants to sit up there.
    Then don't sell them to them. Not bad seats, sat on the other side towards the top. Other adults are willing to pay money and fill them up.



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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Fille

    Quote Originally Posted by driegner View Post
    This.

    This is SO true that a lot of students will "double-up" on chairs in Cyclone Alley. The staff doesn't keep track of how many people they let in down there so a lot of times there's more people in CA than seats. The bigger the game the more crowded it gets.

    Not sure if this is still the case but I remember just a few years ago coming witha group of 10 and cramming into about 8 seats.
    Don't have anything to get on the students about, but this certainly wasn't the case yesterday as there were empty rows in the lower level student section (in the back). The problem seems to be that it is almost impossible for students to transfer tickets, students that aren't in CA don't seem to want to go, and there are a couple hundred students that buy up the tickets in the FB/MBB pack and never go to a MBB game.

    The best solution for next year would seem to be over-sell lower level student tickets, and include the shirt, by about 100-200 seats (some will pack in the lower level and some will move up to the balcony if the lower level fills). Then on a per game basis sell general admission 'paper tickets' for the upper level to students for $5 a game. Then a couple days before the game if there are still tickets available offer them to the general public.


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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    There are always trade offs and pros and cons.

    It is probably more noticeable now that more is full all over (still gaps in all areas) and it is being called sold out. Combine that with the fact all of the open areas are together make it look worse than it is.

    The signs picked up did not represent all of the open seats in any way shape or form, it just was the quantification of over 300 in one subset.



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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    Simple solution. Put CA on one side, non-CA on the other.

    Oversell the student section... take the first # of fans to show up and they can sit on whichever side.

    Sell the upper deck to GA. Even on big games there are maybe 40-50 students up top anyway. If you don't show up early enough to the game, either buy a reserved ticket.



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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    Since we've had this discussion a few times, the basics:

    -Student tickets are much harder to resell.
    -Students pay more for those balcony tickets than others in corners\ends do.
    -Look at the scalpers on gameday and see how many tickets theyre selling. If those were student tickets, they'd sit empty too. (and scalpers are only a portion of the reselling market).
    -Student tickets were sold out far in advance. Reducing the number would be backwards, given there were still many who weren't able to get a ticket that wanted to. Just due to how the AD sells them (to parents during orientation) and to how much more difficult it is to resell them, unless we make it easier for students to get unwanted tickets off their hands there will always be a gap. It was that way when students had both balconies, taking that away didnt fix anything, and if you took away the remaining balcony the same would happen (and more students that want tickets would be excluded)

    My suggestion:
    -Move back to paper tickets for students like everyone else. Students must come pick up their season ticket package in the fall like they used to.
    -Student tickets can be sold by students to anyone in the general public as a GA balcony ticket (makes sense, since they cost more. often students cant resell to the general public because those student tickets are cheaper). Lower decks would still require CA membership.
    -Any non-picked up season ticket sets can be sold for sellouts on the day of the game (or maybe at tipoff) by the AD as a GA balcony ticket. (this takes care of the number that never bother to pick up or use their tickets at all). At any point those students may come pick up their tickets for the remaining games.
    -Give the students the option to let the AD resell their tickets. Maybe ID those that havent come to a game yet before break and send them all an email: "Don't want your basketball tickets? Let us sell your big 12 conference game basketball tickets". Those tickets would be then put up on the market and students could receive a portion of the proceeds if the tickets were sold. (maybe 85%, giving ISU a commission for the work)


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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    I think you are on the right track. (allowing students to sell trade tickets more easily).

    However, if you are selling season tickets (GA or not) you cannot over sell season tickets.

    One way to do it is to sell FB and MBB season tickets separate, but this carries income risk.



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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Fille

    Quote Originally Posted by HGPuck View Post
    Don't have anything to get on the students about, but this certainly wasn't the case yesterday as there were empty rows in the lower level student section (in the back). The problem seems to be that it is almost impossible for students to transfer tickets, students that aren't in CA don't seem to want to go, and there are a couple hundred students that buy up the tickets in the FB/MBB pack and never go to a MBB game.

    The best solution for next year would seem to be over-sell lower level student tickets, and include the shirt, by about 100-200 seats (some will pack in the lower level and some will move up to the balcony if the lower level fills). Then on a per game basis sell general admission 'paper tickets' for the upper level to students for $5 a game. Then a couple days before the game if there are still tickets available offer them to the general public.
    This actually sounds like a good plan.


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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    Quote Originally Posted by alarson View Post
    Since we've had this discussion a few times, the basics:

    -Student tickets are much harder to resell.
    -Students pay more for those balcony tickets than others in corners\ends do.
    -Look at the scalpers on gameday and see how many tickets theyre selling. If those were student tickets, they'd sit empty too. (and scalpers are only a portion of the reselling market).
    -Student tickets were sold out far in advance. Reducing the number would be backwards, given there were still many who weren't able to get a ticket that wanted to. Just due to how the AD sells them (to parents during orientation) and to how much more difficult it is to resell them, unless we make it easier for students to get unwanted tickets off their hands there will always be a gap. It was that way when students had both balconies, taking that away didnt fix anything, and if you took away the remaining balcony the same would happen (and more students that want tickets would be excluded)

    My suggestion:
    -Move back to paper tickets for students like everyone else. Students must come pick up their season ticket package in the fall like they used to.
    -Student tickets can be sold by students to anyone in the general public as a GA balcony ticket (makes sense, since they cost more. often students cant resell to the general public because those student tickets are cheaper). Lower decks would still require CA membership.
    -Any non-picked up season ticket sets can be sold for sellouts on the day of the game (or maybe at tipoff) by the AD as a GA balcony ticket. (this takes care of the number that never bother to pick up or use their tickets at all). At any point those students may come pick up their tickets for the remaining games.
    I suspect we are headed into the realm of sellouts for future games. The sales should be top notch next year after so many years of NO HOPE. JP needs to come up with a way to get more revenue by getting more people into the unused seats.


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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley View Post
    I suspect we are headed into the realm of sellouts for future games. The sales should be top notch next year after so many years of NO HOPE. JP needs to come up with a way to get more revenue by getting more people into the unused seats.
    We are very likely looking at the end of the $99 season ticket in the not too distant future I would suspect. I would guess they will still sell them at a discount compared to the other season tickets, but probably closer to 200 than 100. But in general I would expect a general rise in all MBB ticket prices before we see any other major change.


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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Fille

    Quote Originally Posted by driegner View Post
    This.

    This is SO true that a lot of students will "double-up" on chairs in Cyclone Alley. The staff doesn't keep track of how many people they let in down there so a lot of times there's more people in CA than seats. The bigger the game the more crowded it gets.

    Not sure if this is still the case but I remember just a few years ago coming witha group of 10 and cramming into about 8 seats.

    no there wasn't any "doubling" up yesterday. And on top of that, the CA sections were not even full. I counted roughly 380 empty seats in the student section above CA. Something has got to be done about this. They are sold and if there is more demand than seats, those seats should have butts in them. It just looks bad and 400 to 500 people can make a lot of extra noise too, especially if they are students.



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    Re: Sell Out vs Seats Filled

    How about students buy combo football and basketball tickets. Then before the bball season starts they have three days in early Novemebr they can sell the bball tickets back in total for a reasonable amount (half price) to ISU who then can sell the general public?


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