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    NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Time for another of game for you to choose which team you think deserves the NCAA tournament spot.
    Please do not try and guess or give away either team's name. I will provide this when enough votes have been given and I decide to end this poll and start another.


    Team 1

    Record: 17-8
    Non-Conf: 12-1
    Road: 3-4
    Neutral: 2-1

    RPI: 61
    SOS: 60
    vs 1-25: 1-3
    vs 1-50: 3-4
    vs 1-100: 6-6
    vs Sub-100: 11-2



    Team 2

    Record: 14-7
    Non-Conf: 10-4
    Road: 2-6
    Neutral: 2-0

    RPI: 26
    SOS: 9
    vs 1-25: 1-3
    vs 1-50: 1-4
    vs 1-100: 3-7
    vs Sub-100: 10-1



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Team 1 has more quality wins. Team 2 has the better RPI though. I went with Team 1 in the end though.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    I went with team one, because team 2 can't seem to win outside of their house, and team 2 has the making of a team that plays in a bad conference while winning some key November games.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    This makes me question the RPI even more. Is that formula published anywhere?



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    I think this one is decided. End and start another!

    I am too lazy to look up the teams yet am very intrigued.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    this is actually a pretty good one...

    team 1 has the better resume...though they are very close to one another as far as seeding...in my bracketology both teams are in the play-in game (no, that's not ESPN or CBS).


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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    This makes me question the RPI even more. Is that formula published anywhere?
    I believe this is the current formula:

    The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage (WP), 50% opponents' average winning percentage (OWP), and 25% opponents' opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP).

    For the 2004-05 season, the formula was changed to give more weight to road wins vs home wins. A team's win total for RPI purposes is 1.4 * road wins + neutral site wins + 0.6 * home wins. A team's losses is calculated as 0.6 * road losses + neutral site losses + 1.4 * home losses.


    For example, a team that is 4-0 at home and 2-7 on the road has a RPI record of 5.2 wins (1.4 * 2 + 0.6 * 4) and 4.2 losses (0.6 * 7). That means that even though it is 6-7, for RPI purposes, it is above .500 (5.2-4.2).


    This "weighted" record is only used for the 25% of the formula that is each team's winning percentage. The regular team records are used to calculate OWP and OOWP.


    As always, only games against Division I opponents count in the RPI.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    I think adding in conference records and the conference they play in would help. That may give it away, but I think its a critical number.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Quote Originally Posted by CloneState1028 View Post
    I think adding in conference records and the conference they play in would help. That may give it away, but I think its a critical number.
    Conference records are implied, I give an overall record and non-conference record. Obviously any other wins/losses would come from within conference.

    Conference they play in may be important, but that is a large source of human bias so I feel confident in leaving that out.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Quote Originally Posted by SvrWxCy View Post
    I believe this is the current formula:

    The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage (WP), 50% opponents' average winning percentage (OWP), and 25% opponents' opponents' average winning percentage (OOWP).

    For the 2004-05 season, the formula was changed to give more weight to road wins vs home wins. A team's win total for RPI purposes is 1.4 * road wins + neutral site wins + 0.6 * home wins. A team's losses is calculated as 0.6 * road losses + neutral site losses + 1.4 * home losses.


    For example, a team that is 4-0 at home and 2-7 on the road has a RPI record of 5.2 wins (1.4 * 2 + 0.6 * 4) and 4.2 losses (0.6 * 7). That means that even though it is 6-7, for RPI purposes, it is above .500 (5.2-4.2).


    This "weighted" record is only used for the 25% of the formula that is each team's winning percentage. The regular team records are used to calculate OWP and OOWP.


    As always, only games against Division I opponents count in the RPI.
    Thank you. Can't rep again.

    Team 2 can't be up to date. 4-3 in conference? Only 21 games?



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Thank you. Can't rep again.

    Team 2 can't be up to date. 4-3 in conference? Only 21 games?
    It is correct. I just checked again, just to be 200% sure.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    I believe both of these teams would be on the outside looking in right now. Neither is impressive, especially when team 1 has a losing conference record.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Team 1 is 5-7 in conference. I don't like the idea of teams below .500 in conference making the tourney.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Thank you. Can't rep again.

    Team 2 can't be up to date. 4-3 in conference? Only 21 games?
    Although teams are allowed to schedule 31 games, it is not a requirement.



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    Re: NCAA Nitty Gritty Tournament Game (#2)

    I voted for team two, they will close the gap pretty soon. Team 2's SOS is much higher and they have only lost one extra game overall (7 vs 8 by Team 1).


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