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    Bubble Breakdown

    It seems to be the hot topic with every win or loss so I researched how fellow Big 12 teams have done with tourney bids based on record. Far from scientific but it gives you an idea. Check it out.

    http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/basket...bble-breakdown


    Last edited by khaal53; 02-08-2012 at 04:50 PM.

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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Couldn't agree more. Win 3 and most likely bubble looking in. Win 1 in the tourney on top of that and almost a shoe-in. Get to 11-7 (or better!) and I think it is a lock.

    I like that at the end you point out that this year the field is 68 (like it was last year). People keep pointing to some bubble teams of old saying they didn't get in, but now there are 2 more teams added (more if you go back farther) so some of those bubble teams would be in if the field was as big as it is now....


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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Thanks for making me more nervous about getting in :)



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    Thanks for making me more nervous about getting in :)
    Why would that article make you more nervous?



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Great article! Go Cyclones!!!



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Three things.

    1) Historical record to record comparisons should be eased if using them as most of them are comparing to a smaller tournament field which has now been expanded basically for the reason that more qualified major teams deserve an invite over AQ mid majors from bad conferences.

    2) It's about who else is on the bubble this year and how we stack up to them more than it is about historical success relating to tourney appearances. While I appreciate the analysis based on the historical factors that seem to have led to a dance invite correlation isn't causation. The Big 12 is likely to get fewer teams this year than in most IMO.

    3) We're in if we don't implode. Now we're playing for seeding. But none of that will matter after we win the B12 tournament. Go Clones.


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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Hmmm, looks like having a 10 instead of 12 team league may have eliminated two easy nonconference games to help our record. Looks like we will always in the future need a .500 or better conference record to go NCAA.


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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Quote Originally Posted by gocubs2118 View Post
    Why would that article make you more nervous?
    Just that I never realized so many teams had winning records and didnt get in the tournament. I knew it had happened some, but I didnt realize it was that much.

    When I think about that and not having any non conference wins.. it gets a bit scary. RIGHT NOW.. I think it comes down to ISU vs KSU, one getting in the other to the NIT. This obviously could change if BOTH go on a big run.

    Good thing the bubble is so large this year, especially with the expanded field.

    I dont mean to seem negative... just still suffering the ill affects of Chewyball.


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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    I think a .500 record, or better, should be mandatory if there are 10 teams or more.



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Cydkar View Post
    I think a .500 record, or better, should be mandatory if there are 10 teams or more.

    Which would be great, but would be hard to enforce if you didnt have to play that top 4 teams in your conference both times.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ajk4st8 View Post
    Which would be great, but would be hard to enforce if you didnt have to play that top 4 teams in your conference both times.
    Very good point.



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    People seem to equate winning 10 wins under the old format (16 conference games), with winning 10 games under the current format (18 conference games).

    I think if we win 10, we need to win one in the tourney. If we win 11, we're probably in regardless.



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Truth is, they don't look at conference record/standing. At least as a point of discussion. It may be in their heads but it's not a criteria at all. 10-8 means nothing to them. It's who we beat in the 10 and who we lost to in the 8.



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Quote Originally Posted by acgclone View Post
    People seem to equate winning 10 wins under the old format (16 conference games), with winning 10 games under the current format (18 conference games).

    I think if we win 10, we need to win one in the tourney. If we win 11, we're probably in regardless.
    The thing is, while you might think 10 is different because we play 2 more games in conference, the fact that we play more games in conference ups our SOS so things sort of even out. (itd be the equivalent of adding 2 more BCS teams to the noncon schedule)



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    Re: Bubble Breakdown

    Based on the old north/south scheduling of the Big XII, the strenght of a teams conference schedule could vary considerably. With the round robin format, that is no longer the case. Thus, I think it would be much tougher for a team finishing lower in the standings to jump a team that has a higher finish.



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