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    Just need to toughen up on D

    I just think our defense as whole, especially Booker and Ejim, need to toughen up and make the other team work. OK st runs like 6 deep and looked fresh to the finish.

    Tough loss, but entertaining none the less. Go cyclones!



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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    I thought the defense was pretty good by both. Ejim is guarding a NBA 3 in Nash, and having to hedge on screens with Paige. Not bad considering. If Booker got the same leniency OK St's center does, he would have looked a lot better.

    What killed us is the easy points they got off turnovers and questionable calls that took away our girth advantage.



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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    I thought they played well for most of the game. OSU made a lot of tough shots.


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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Our on ball defense is usually pretty good. Our help defense is non-existent for about 99% of the game.



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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Defense was pretty ok tonight. We've played better, but it was ok. Breaking point was giving up transition points and Nash/Brown hitting some hard shots. And by hard shots, I mean 16 footers that were either turn-around fade aways or where they created separation. Hard to defend those.

    Not saying it couldn't have been better. Just saying we had bigger issues.



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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaCy View Post
    Our on ball defense is usually pretty good. Our help defense is non-existent for about 99% of the game.
    Disagree. It was pretty good.

    There were a few lapses and open Ok St players- all mainly due to having to overplay Paige and Nash on screens. Divide those by all the times Ok St would have been open if not for good help defense, and you are looking at 5-10%.

    Ok St has players, they are going to get points no matter how fundamental your defense is. How many points off of turnovers did they get? That is what lost us the game.



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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Quote Originally Posted by swarthmoreCY View Post
    Disagree. It was pretty good.

    There were a few lapses and open Ok St players- all mainly due to having to overplay Paige and Nash on screens. Divide those by all the times Ok St would have been open if not for good help defense, and you are looking at 5-10%.

    Ok St has players, they are going to get points no matter how fundamental your defense is. How many points off of turnovers did they get? That is what lost us the game.

    How many times did they run the shot clock down and get a shot to fall.


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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    I noticed it the first time we played Okie State in Ames that Nash was hitting all of his 15-20 foot jumpers. How many did he and Brown hit tonight, did they even miss one from that range? It's rare in today's game to see people stroke it like that from that range. I mean, was there any doubt at all that Nash was going to make that last shot?

    They are a bad matchup for us, I'd rather not see them in KC.


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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    How many times did they run the shot clock down and get a shot to fall.
    I can remember one miss off the top of my head and that's it. The majority of them were fade-away 15 footers - ridiculous. Or my favorite was when Keiton Page would blatantly jump into the defenders and for whatever reason the refs would reward him for that garbage.


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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Quote Originally Posted by kingcy View Post
    How many times did they run the shot clock down and get a shot to fall.
    Probably not as many times as we think, and that is not sufficient in saying our help defense was non-existent 99% of the time, or even that it was not good defense.



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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Architect View Post
    I can remember once off the top of my head and that's it. The majority of them were fade-away 15 footers - ridiculous. Or my favorite was when Keiton Page would blatantly jump into the defenders and for whatever reason the refs would reward him for that garbage.
    He would just fall down and get a call. I think he ran into Whtie a couple times fall down and got the call.


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    Re: Just need to toughen up on D

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Architect View Post
    I noticed it the first time we played Okie State in Ames that Nash was hitting all of his 15-20 foot jumpers. How many did he and Brown hit tonight, did they even miss one from that range? It's rare in today's game to see people stroke it like that from that range. I mean, was there any doubt at all that Nash was going to make that last shot?

    They are a bad matchup for us, I'd rather not see them in KC.
    Yep. The lost art of the mid-range jumper. We can defend in the post, and perimeter play pretty well. We get lost in the mid-range. Most of that is athleticism. We just don't have a lot of it in the guard position.

    Also, yeah, they're just not a good matchup for us. Between them and KSU, they're the teams we've struggled the most with this year.



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