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    Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    I thought that, given how much attention is given to "stars", I'd take a look at how actual physical talent matches up between our class, and one more highly rated in Iowa City. I pick the matchups, you draw your own conclusions--as if I had to tell anyone here that anyway.

    It is said that the true excitement of build a team begins on both sides of the trenches. With that in mind, let’s start off with a peek at the respective line recruits…and yes, I admit that I played around a bit in an effort to make some more intriguing matchups.

    By the way--I was startled at some of the similarities.

    Dan Burton OL 6’4” 275 vs Mitch Keppy OL 6’5 280

    Let’s start off with a decent matchup. Big school class president, versatile lineman versus Hawkeye legacy from a small school. Athletically, not much stands out to tell apart. Edge: Even

    Jake Dunning 6’5” 275 vs Ryan Ward 6’5” 275

    This one’s kinda humorous. One of these players is from a relatively new program in a burgeoning city, the other is from a traditional powerhouse that recruiters make a habitual stop. One has been playing football for two years, the other all his life. Other than that, they may well prove to be virtually the same player. Edge: Iowa

    Duaron Williams OG 6’4” 290 vs Jaleel Johnson DT 6’4” 300

    Boom! These two big guys are a natural matchup—because they’ll likely be battling each other the next few years. And here we go again. Both elite athletes, same size, and they’ll be going head to head on more than paper. The only real difference? One knee surgery. Edge: Iowa

    Pierre Aka DE 6’2” 255 vs Faith Ekakitie DL 6’2” 255

    Yep, another case where these two could almost be the same player. Same general size, same athleticism, one has better experience, polish and exposure than the other. We’ll see how long that lasts. Still, conventional wisdom says one player wins. Edge: Iowa.

    Collin Bevins DL 6’5” 250 vs Drew Ott 6’4” 245

    These two are also similar in a lot of ways. Each staff is excited about their sleeper defensive lineman—though I’m still not quite sure why, in one case. Still, to be fair, I’ll call it a draw. The difference isn’t that much. Yet. Edge: Even.

    Mitchell Meyers DL 6’4” 255 vs D. Venckus-Cucchiara DL 6’5” 230

    Hey, this one works for me. Neither is highly recruited, yet ISU coaches consider their player a physical phenom, UI coaches theirs a beast. Perfect. Edge: Even

    Devlyn Cousin DT 6’2” 280 vs Reid Sealby 6’4” 250


    Once I swapped linemen around for better matchups, that left this pairing. Much better, since Sealby doesn’t really seem to compare to Burton, or Cousin to Johnson. Not close in either case. Cousin is squatty, but has a quick step when he releases from the blocker. Sealby is about as “sleeper” as sleepers get. Edge: Even

    Corey Morrissey DE 6’4” 240 vs Eric Simmons C 6’2” 295


    Just as simple to take the two former teammates that their respective coaches are equally excited about, with equal amounts of eligibility—and let them cancel each other out. Edge: Even

    Clifford Stokes CB 6’0” 180 vs Cody Sokol QB 6’2” 215


    Ditto. These two will be long gone before some of their signing mates are ready for the field. Edge: Even

    Grant Rohach QB 6’2” 185 vs C.J. Beathard QB 6’2” 180

    Seriously. Anyone wanna match up these two any more closely? Only time will tell. Edge: Even

    T.J. Mutcherson DB 5’10” 190 vs Ruben Lile DB 6’3” 200


    The similarity here is that both were two-way players who will likely be safeties. Both are very good athletes. Edge: Even

    Charlie Rogers CB 6’1” 193 vs Maurice Fleming CB 6’0” 185


    The matchups among the defensive backs were a little more difficult. Here I wound up taking what appeared to be each school’s best corner and pairing them. Guess what? Edge: Even

    Damian Lawry CB 6’0” 165 vs Sean Draper CB 6’0” 165

    I could have stuck Buford here, but the similarity in size was just too tempting, From that start, it will be interesting to see how each respective player matures through their career. Edge: Even

    Luke Knott S 6’1” 190 vs Anthony (Morgan) Gair DB 6’2” 195


    Another tough choice, since Gair might well have paired with Rogers. Still, a matchup of the cerebral leader Knott, and a player who might be slightly faster and more athletic. I suppose it depends on what you are looking for. Feel free to argue, but: Edge: Even

    Adam Pavlenko LB 5’10” 210 vs Laron Taylor LB 6’0” 210

    A matchup between two undersized linebackers who don’t have blazing speed. Sorry, I have to call this one a draw. Edge: Even

    Kane Seeley LB 6’1” 215 vs Nate Meier ATH 6’2” 235

    Shoot, Meier might well compare to Jevohn Miller. In any case, this one is yet another draw, between good athletes with their future ahead of them. Edge: Even

    Darius White MLB 6’1” 235 vs Greg Garmon RB 6’1” 200


    This is where I got the idea of across-the-line-of-scrimmage matchups. After all, this might be the first time these two meet head to head, but it’ll be far from the last. Cyclone coaches want to groom White as the future Mike linebacker, Garmon may be the Hawk starter when camp starts—and he likes to run up the middle. Edge: Iowa

    Quan West WR 6’4” 208 vs Cameron Wilson WR 6’1” 195

    The matchups here at wideout were as tough as with the defensive backs. In this case, I ended up going with “highest rated vs one another”. Styles completely different, West is a physical receiver (perhaps Krieger-Kittle would have been a more comparable matchup) more like McNutt, Wilson may be another DJK. In a cowardly manner, resorting strictly to rankings: Edge: Slight to ISU.

    P.J. Harris WR 6’1” 160 vs Greg Mabin 6’2” 190

    No, I didn’t pick them out of a hat. In this case, I went with two small school Florida players who both run well. Still, feel free to mix ‘em up any other way, if you want to. Slight Edge: ISU

    Dondre Daley WR 6’3” 170 vs Tevaun Smith WR 6’2” 190

    In this case, I tried to go with the most athletic of the respective groups. It might be a secret to some, but I think that Daley will mature into a tremendous player. I also expect Smith and Wilson will be on the field early in their careers for Iowa. Edge: ISU

    Cole Netten PK 6’1” 205 vs Connor Kornbrath P 6’6” 208

    Sure, call the two specialists a draw as well. Check back in a couple of years. Edge: Even

    Strays: Iowa is left with Kevin Buford, Barkley Hill and George Krieger-Kittle all unpaired. I like Buford, I think he compares well to Kenneth Lynn from a class ago. They also may still sign a highly touted guard from Colorado. The latter pair? Well, fine. I’m pretty sure that Iowa was winning this matchup already anyway, irrespective of numbers. That doesn’t mean that CPR isn’t catching up quickly.




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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Williams and Aka might be the best two in this class and you give the edge to Iowa on both. Not a fan.


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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    Williams and Aka might be the best two in this class and you give the edge to Iowa on both. Not a fan.
    They are up against 2 of what might be the best in Iowa's class.


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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Put a reminder on your calendar to check back on this thread in about 3 years.



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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by azepp View Post
    Put a reminder on your calendar to check back on this thread in about 3 years.
    lol good luck with that. I can't remember what I was supposed to do yesterday.


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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    earths gonna end this year, so it seems pointless to put a reminder in your phone.



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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    Williams and Aka might be the best two in this class and you give the edge to Iowa on both. Not a fan.
    Honestly? They are about as even as it is possible to be. But Aka played little defense his senior year, and Williams didn't play at all. So you know what? Experience--and proven results--have to give an edge somewhere.

    Of course, if I were certain either of Aka's listed 4.69 40 time, or Ekakitie's listed 5.06, Aka could have had the edge right there. Time will tell.




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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    I know that a person could probably quibble with any of your match-ups and analysis. But come on, Jacob Dunning and Ryan Ward --- virtually the same player ? Go back and look and the videos of those two. Ryan Ward is (maybe) a road grader. Way too slow to be an offensive tackle at the college level. Sure doesn't show the kind of footwork that is going to keep a quick DE from the QB. Jacob Dunning is an OT all the way. Athletic, fast on his feet. Videos demonstrated that he could easily keep speed rushers out of the backfield (He played against a lot of speed guys in Texas). Heck, look like they pulled him on nearly every running play that went to the opposite side.

    Don't get me wrong. Ryan Ward may become a great college guard. But these two are not virtually the same player......(IMO).



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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by bigsag View Post
    Don't get me wrong. Ryan Ward may become a great college guard. But these two are not virtually the same player......(IMO).
    To tell you the truth, I didn't want to look like a Cyclone homer by saying that a player who was barely noticed in recruiting circles was better than one was better than one who was a four-star, and rated in the top 20 at his position...so I'm glad that you did!




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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by RustShack View Post
    Williams and Aka might be the best two in this class and you give the edge to Iowa on both. Not a fan.
    Williams = 3* and #52 at his position.
    Aka = 3* and #117 at his position.

    Ekatitie = 4* and #13 at his position.
    Johnson = 4* and #20 at his position.

    As flawed as stars and rankings can be, it's all there is to go by at this point. It's pretty clear.



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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo View Post
    Williams = 3* and #52 at his position.
    Aka = 3* and #117 at his position.

    Ekatitie = 4* and #13 at his position.
    Johnson = 4* and #20 at his position.

    As flawed as stars and rankings can be, it's all there is to go by at this point. It's pretty clear.
    This picture is Williams owning 5 star DT Aziz Shittu #3 at his position. I'm not saying, I'm just saying. I'm not saying he's better, there's alot of things that go into rankings and for the most part I think they are a pretty accurate judge of athleticism. But at the same time they're crap, and can't take into account how smart, or how hard a player will work, or how a player will grow.
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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Holy waste of time. Does everything have to be measured vis-a-vis the hawks?



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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by Incyte View Post
    Holy waste of time. Does everything have to be measured vis-a-vis the hawks?
    Well if you want to measure up against another team out of curiosity, the other team in the same state seems to be a good, logical choice.



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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    All you have to do is listen to where the starters in the Super Bowl went to college. There is a lot of talent out there that gets overlooked by the big boys. With that said, both Iowa and ISU's classes could suprise a few people 2-3 years from now.

    Both our programs are about developing players and allowing player to grow their first couple years (In most cases. I know there are always a small percentage that hit the ground running as freshmen but not compared to the likes of OU, UT, OSU, Alabama, etc.)



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    Re: Comparing Iowa and ISU Recruiting--The Matchups

    Quote Originally Posted by CYphyllis View Post
    Well if you want to measure up against another team out of curiosity, the other team in the same state seems to be a good, logical choice.
    Exactly. He wanted to do it, he had fun doing it....I see no reason to call this a waste of time.

    I say good work and let's make a note to come back to this thread periodically to see how they turn out!


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